Most people have been abused in their lifetime, whether it be racial or otherwise. Some make an issue out of it, others don't. With you believing that that hate or abuse is a monopoly just because of the colour of their skin, that makes you the racist.
I know this will be controversial, so apologies in advance, and I have to say that Mr terry strikes me as a pretty odious individual, but is this really an incident of sufficient seriousness that... more
I disagree, just because you don't think other peoples views are not worthy of being read doesn't mean that we should not read them. Whether we agree or disagree with what is said they have a right... more
what was (allegedly) said at the time. He only took the legal case after he was shown a video afterwards which showed what Terry had said. I'm not trying to defend racism, but what a waste of... more
With your opinion overall, calling a black person black is NOT racist. If Anton has taken offense, he should address the issues he has with not being proud of who he is and his heritage.
you cannot make the 'calling a black person back is not racist' statement without qualifying it. Calling a black person 'black', unless you specifically need to refer to their colour, is racist.
...Calling a black person a black bast**d is racist because you are implying that because he is black that is worse that being "just" a bast**d. If you think someone is a bastard, there is no need to ... more
I would suggest that, as I said earlier, unless there was a specific need to refer to someone's colour (for example if there were to players on the same team of the same name and one was black and... more
I rather suspect it has more to do with the word Bast**d is a negative, adding an additional adjective which highlights the colour of someone's skin or race to emphasise that negative would be the... more
Enlighten me then, ok the c word was thrown in there, so what? That part is an opinion. I am just sick to death that black people seem to be wrapped up in cotton wool and to some extent patronised by ... more
then I would expect the very same treatment to be taken, not skipped over. My colour is irrelevant to me, and so it should be to you. I think you are scum.
You would expect it, i would expect it, point is we know it wouldnt be reacted to or dealt with in the same way. My colour, nationality etc is largely irrelevant to me, but if someone wants to mix it ... more
Er no, as i said, on the whole these things are irrelevant... However, if someone choses to bring them up, indult or not, they are things I am proud of. Where did YOU get mixed up with that?
Saying 'because it's who I am' isn't an answer, it's an excuse to make the statement you did. Having Welsh or Irish ancestry groups you with people from the same country and feeling an allegiance to... more
It is a perfectly acceptable answer becasue it is that simple to me, you seem to looking for an answer more specific to your agenda? I am not sure what this is. So having welsh / irish ancestory to... more
Cant wait around for your reply fella. Point is, a black person should be just as proud (and uninsulted) by their heritage as i am about mine. Re-reading your line of questioning, you seem to think... more
Just like a person of any colour can and should be proud of where they are from. But you say you are proud because of the colour of your skin. And you still haven't answered the question of why this... more
Lol ive answered the question several times. I am proud of who i am, skin colour, height, hair colour, heritage, shoe size... any of these genetic attributes added to an insult do not add weight to... more
Haha your ability to completely miss key points throughout a whole conversation is amazing :) I'm sure you think you are clever, I'm affraid focusing on silly little points and using cliché's like... more
...and needs to be dealt with accordingly. i'm not trying to be politically correct by saying this but racial abuse is a crime. there are no excuses and no justification
"FAT BASTARD","SKINNY CU.T","GINGER TOSSER","WELSH PRI.K"."JOCK WANK.R" People use these sort of terms frequently when in a high octane argument without actually being truly prejudiced against any of ... more
...whether racially or not he should be dealt with just as harshly. The intention of both was to offend and provoke. One cannot say that something racist would not cause just as much offense as say,... more
That's not the point. The point of this trial is not because Ferdinand took offence to Terry's abuse. It is because it was racist (if he did say it). That should be taken more seriously than slagging ... more
I don't agree that one should be taken more seriously than an other, why should someone have to tolerate, for example, being told that they want to shag one of their sisters/mums or abuse someone for ... more
then I will, otherwise, please feel free to provide everybody wih examples who what it is you're alluding to. There are oppressed people the world over and of different colours; I know what you're... more
I think you will be able to find many people who were alive then. Ask any black person you know if they have ever been racially abused, and I bet I know what the answer will be. Ask them how they... more
Re: Martin Luther King was assassinated in 1968 — Anonymous,Mon Jul 9 23:41
....if he is found guilty. That will be a drop in the ocean to an international player or his level, it really would be no punishment at all to him if he is found guilty. I would hope the FA would... more
that precedent has been set now. There were a couple of lower league players who got the same ban too. In terms of fines though, i think it's a slippery slope setting fines based on what people earn. ... more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1302161/Swedish-driver-gets-worlds-largest-speeding-fine-180mph-chase.html The point is, if someone working at Asda on 16 hours a week at minimum wage gets hit ... more
eloquently as it needs. For me this particularly issue has been taken over by media hype and has lost its grip on reality. being discriminated against on the basis of colour is horrbile and must be... more
I rather agree with Dancing Yak second paragraph below. It dont believe court cases should happen as an example to others or because the case or defendant is high profile. All should be treated... more
it was referred to the CPS and they thought there was a case to answer your point about "relatively minor" is a ridiculous one. Car theft is "relatively minor" compared to murder. And anyone for whom ... more
or as dancing yak suggests, were the CPS influenced by the media circus and potential bad publicity that would prevail if they took the decision not to prosecute. Sorry dont believe CPS would not... more
your point is based entirely on assumption with nothing to back it up I question your motives in briging this up in the first place. For someone whose point is that this shouldn't have been given so... more
to claim that CPS is not influenced by politics and publicity is errant nonsense. My purpose in bringing this up on an relatively little used message board is to test my thought process. I fear this... more
...it would be better for it to have been moved to a court that can level a higher sentence, upto and including a custodial sentance, than a maximum £2.5k fine if he has been found guilty. At the... more
Any form of racism on the pitch needs to be punished regardless of how serious it is. These players get paid enough to control themselves and act as role models. It is laughable how the maximum he... more
every bustup being taken to Court as a race matter. The idea that a Black player can insult his team member, then squeal race discrimination when the player retaliates is taking a petty argument to a ... more
Because there is plenty of evidence for the continued discrimination against ethnic minorities. For example - in employment http://www.edf.org.uk/blog/?p=16576 in the criminal justice system... more
This thread seems to be split between people asking questions about the legal system and others shouting them down because by asking questions there is an implication they must be racist. I wonder... more