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You approach history with an overly simplistic one-sided view while accusing others of doing the same.

You ask irrelevant questions, which do not forward any kind of argument but merely distract.

No-one has said that suffering is only due to racism - that is clearly wrong, and a straw man argument.

None of this has any impact from the fact that we should challenge racism when it occurs.

Can I ask you again, do you think your opinions would be the same if you were black?

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An apology — DC, Mon Jul 9 21:08

I started a thread below about the Terry case in the expectation that it was possible to have a mature debate about such issues. Having seen some of the posts below, mostly admittedly from... more
- the problem with debates on here — the nixon tapes, Tue Jul 10 12:31
  
  is that they end up in mud slinging and mindless personal insults
- wow (nm) — eric plant, Tue Jul 10 08:29
- your apology — Tase, Tue Jul 10 08:19
  
  should not be for the topic, it should be for the view that an example of racism wasn't worthy of going to court. i suggest you study your GCSE history, and see how easy it is for racism to develop... more
- - Utter tosh-Communism and religion has killed more people tha — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 10:20
    
    from religious intolerence adopted by the Nazis, maybe you should read an understand history more than at GCSE level rather than spouting off bullshit.
  - - If You Are Going To Get Into Some Sort Of "Body Count" — Eddie Monsoon, Tue Jul 10 12:14
      
      Capitalism has also (both directly & indirectly) killed many people.
    - - Stalin 12million, Mao 60million, pol-pot 6million — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:19
        
        Hitler about 11 million if you take systematic killing, 60 million in the war as a whole. I don't believe there's been any systematic slaughter through capitalism but I understand your sentiment.
    - Nazism wasn't religious intolerance — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 11:52
      
      It was clearly racist. If you had any knowledge of history you would know this. People weren't "just" killed if they were practicing Jews - they were also killed if they had Jewish parents or even... more
    - - Jews, Homosexuals, anybody who disagreed with the Nazi — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:16
        
        the disabled, were systematically killed by the Nazis, race wasn't fundamental to the Nazi ideal, the SS, being Jewish is not racial, it's religious intolerance and you should know and understand the ... more
    - your comments are loathsome — Tase, Tue Jul 10 10:30
      
      and i suspect you're a closet racist.
    - - But the comments are true nevertheless, — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 10:35
        
        That is evident from your liberal use of the racist label. People like you are no better than those you attack. You distort history then throw around accusations when you're found wanting.
      - I realise that by replying I'm just indulging your wind up — JSwwfc, Tue Jul 10 11:23
        
        agenda, but where in his initial post did he distort history?
        There are a couple of trolls on here — Bilversack, Tue Jul 10 11:57
        
        namely the Anons who go by the main IPs of 90.212.24.197 and 90.200.33.21 I suggest we don't bother pandering to their miserable existences by bothering to reply to them. They're either very... more
        Incidentally, you still haven't replied to the question: — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:24
        
        regarding your assertion that Heritage is nothing to do with colour. If that were so, then why have Black history month, MOBO, Black police Officer's Association etc. Are you going to answer or... more
        troll (nm) — Bilversack, Tue Jul 10 18:50
        
        Marvellous Bilversack, still won't make up for you're not — Anonymous, Wed Jul 11 08:35
        
        being able to answer what to me is a simple question. I'm sure it's frustrating when you make a pillock of yourself, you have nobody to blame for that but yourself i'm afraid.
        Incidentally, you still haven't replied to my question — JSwwfc, Tue Jul 10 13:03
        
        to you in my above post - the answer doesn't fit your agenda, perhaps?
        Oh my, I nearly missed your question — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 13:24
        
        here you go: "i suggest you study your GCSE history, and see how easy it is for racism to develop into pure evil if "less serious" incidents become acceptable in the mainstream". There isn't a topic... more
        Why, from the vast possibilities of terrible acts in Africa — Chris, Tue Jul 10 15:09
        
        have you chosen to refer to one of the tiny minority of times when white people are the victim? How could you possibly accuse other people of being selective? We both know that black people have... more
        Well answer the question, it's a simple one that a 5 year — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 16:35
        
        old could answer. The other atrocities in Africa were not race related, they were tribal, the white farmers in Zimbabwe as with Apartheid in South Africa, were clearly race related. What did YOU and... more
        You are selective while accusing other people of selectivity — Chris, Tue Jul 10 16:53
        Simplistic? Had you of read anything that I've — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 18:16
        
        written then you would see that it's far from a one-sided view as you claim or indeed simplistic. I think, compared you you and others, I've gone to great pains to explain my position and to clarify... more
        You aren't explaining facts — Chris, Tue Jul 10 19:17
        
        you are expressing your opinion as if it were fact. GCSE History teaches you to look at things from different viewpoints. You have a closed mind, and lack empathy. And yes, what you have written is... more
        Seems to me you're grasping at straws Chris — Pickle, Tue Jul 10 21:41
        
        All you've done is come back with one or two lines regarding GCSEs. I thought that anon's explanations were quite interesting, but then that's only my opinion.
        Re: Oh my, I nearly missed your question — Tase, Tue Jul 10 14:27
        
        The "GCSE" reference is that Hitler/Nazis usually comes up on the syllabus there, rather than it being any comment on the "level" of historical knowledge. It's a warning from history, that casual... more
        You are wrong,, the Nazis weren't casual about anything — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 15:52
        
        If it were solely nationalism that Hitler wanted then why would he go to such great lengths to create the third Reich (empire)? To suggest that the Nazis were brought about by 'casual' racism is... more
        It's Alan Partridge — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 20:28
        
        "Trust me, the Nazis weren't casual about anything"
        "that was liquid book burning!" (nm) — tax dodge wherever you may be, Tue Jul 10 22:20
        
        LOL (nm) — eric plant, Tue Jul 10 16:01
        
        see my reply below (nm) — Bilversack, Tue Jul 10 12:26
        
        You haven't answered it, answer again here. (nm) — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:36
        
        Comeon Bilverstack, has the cat got your tongue? — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 16:36
        
        so-to-speak
        Odd that you judge others merely because they disagree with — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:21
        
        you, what difference is that to judging a person because of the colour of their skin?
        not jusging you because you disagree, — Bilversack, Tue Jul 10 12:25
        
        but I am judging that in my opinion you are racist/trolling. You will come back with 'but you are racist and I am not' and 'how can be' blah blah. All that really matters in this debate is that I am... more
        Really? Other than not allowing people like you — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 12:34
        
        to distort facts, what assertion do you have that I am racist? You can't enter into a conversation because for to long people of your ilk have been able to throw labels at others without... more
  - I fear — DC, Tue Jul 10 08:53
    
    responding to your point would only reopen a discussion perhaps left closed.
  - - Congrats DC — Anonymous, Tue Jul 10 14:00
      
      You got TWO whole days out of this one. Race never fails does it!
- oh doooo fuuckk off — Anonymous, Mon Jul 9 21:15
  
  You patronising cuunnt
- I don't think that raising the issue was a problem at all. — JSwwfc, Mon Jul 9 21:11
  
  In fact it's very important that such issues are debated and discussed and IMO it's unhealthy to do otherwise. I just wonder as to your motives for raising it.

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