Jeff Morey
8.5 out of 10 isn't bad.
Tue Apr 10, 2012 13:42
Peter,
8.5 out of 10 isn't bad. The point I was trying to make was that precise assertions, no matter how confidently made, are no better than the evidence for those assertions. Whenever anyone (myself included) makes an assertion, the reader is fully in the right to ask: How can he (the writer) possibly know that? When Nick states that Tom McLaury lived about 7 minutes after the gunfight ended, the question is begged as to how exactly Nick could know this. For some reason, which is unclear, Nick likes to present his ideas as if they are, unquestionably, the ultimate truth. But, it remains unclear why saying Tom lived for about 7 minutes is any better than saying Tom McLaury lived for about 8 or 9 minutes. Frankly, there is a great deal that we don't "know" concerning the street fight. Acknowledging that simple truth is required of anyone who wishes to be taken seriously. Why Nick has such a pronounced proclivity to speak as if he knows the ultimate truth about the street fight is difficult to understand.
My Best,
Jeff Morey
8.5 out of 10 isn't bad. The point I was trying to make was that precise assertions, no matter how confidently made, are no better than the evidence for those assertions. Whenever anyone (myself included) makes an assertion, the reader is fully in the right to ask: How can he (the writer) possibly know that? When Nick states that Tom McLaury lived about 7 minutes after the gunfight ended, the question is begged as to how exactly Nick could know this. For some reason, which is unclear, Nick likes to present his ideas as if they are, unquestionably, the ultimate truth. But, it remains unclear why saying Tom lived for about 7 minutes is any better than saying Tom McLaury lived for about 8 or 9 minutes. Frankly, there is a great deal that we don't "know" concerning the street fight. Acknowledging that simple truth is required of anyone who wishes to be taken seriously. Why Nick has such a pronounced proclivity to speak as if he knows the ultimate truth about the street fight is difficult to understand.
My Best,
Jeff Morey
- Crabtree Doctor's account — bfrey, Sun Apr 8 05:38I read that the Doctor who treated Billy Clanton at the scene of the gunfight, testified that Billy told him he could die happy if he could just sink his teeth into that sob's neck. A couple... more
- Really Nick? Boyer nonsense again? (nm) — Larry K, Tue Apr 10 11:45
- Problems with Giberson testimony — Pam Potter, Mon Apr 9 19:36There are a lot of problems with Dr. Giberson's testimony. First he referred to Billy as Cranton, although that could have been a misunderstanding by the attorneys or the court reporter. I think... more
- thanks for the clarification... — bfrey, Tue Apr 10 06:32Thanks for the background. Is Dr.Giberson's testimony available anywhere to read? Are there other Tombstone residents that testified? Thanks
- Re: thanks for the clarification... — Pam Potter, Tue Apr 10 08:30It is only available from the Harvard Law Library. It is part of the Lotta Crabtree Will Case. I spent several days at the Law library researching the case. Dr. Giberson was the doctor who took care... more
- thanks again.... (nm) — bfrey, Tue Apr 10 13:32
- Dr. Giberson — bfrey, Sun Apr 8 08:15Dr.Giberson's account from the Crabtree trial is the only place that I see this stated by a dying Billy Clanton. Clanton apparently lived for about an hour...
- Nick's secret source... — Jeff Morey, Mon Apr 9 12:07Since Nick Rogers is loath to reveal the sources of many of his dogmatic claims, his source for how long the wounded cow-boys lived after the street fight deserves recognition. Randall P. Morton, was ... more
- 8.5 out of 10, Jeff (nm) — Peter Love, Tue Apr 10 07:37
- 8.5 out of 10 isn't bad. — Jeff Morey, Tue Apr 10 13:42
- Where is your evidence — olds, Tue Apr 10 15:06that it is "difficult to understand"?
- Well, I don't understand Nick. — Jeff Morey, Tue Apr 10 23:27Bruce, Well, I don't understand Nick's tendency to make assertions without providing proper sources for those assertions. For instance, on several occasions, Nick has dogmatically claimed that Doc... more
- That was tongue-in-cheek. — olds, Wed Apr 11 06:57At times, however, it amuses me, how pathologically obsessive certain folks are about such issues. But that's just me. I reckon we wouldn't be here, on this site, if we all weren't pathologically... more
- Re: That was tongue-in-cheek. — Jeff Morey, Wed Apr 11 07:40Bruce, Perhaps I am "pathologically obsessive" while Nick is "obsessively pathological" when it comes to documentation. So, how did the phrase "tongue-in-cheek" originate? When I put my tongue in my... more
- Dr Gilberson's testimony — bfrey, Mon Apr 9 12:23Is there anymore to his testimony concerning Tombstone, are there any other Tombstone Old timers that gave testimony in the Crabtree case?
- question.. — bfrey, Mon Apr 9 15:48How do I contact him?
- Billy was blasted close range by Morgan Earp (nm) — K.t.K., Sun Apr 8 06:33
- Re: Billy was blasted close range by Morgan Earp — Bob Cash, Sun Apr 15 16:36What does "close range mean", Kenny?
