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bfret
Thanks/ telegram
Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:38

Thanks for the insight. I believe I have been looking at the information with a very suspicious eye and maybe over thinking some aspects. Some of the information seems straight forward and it just plain is what it appears to be.
Other information and facts don't add up at times but I see that we must support it with evidence and compare and match it to other sources. I realize that there are not easy answers with the information we have available.

Williams either had his eye out for all the activities within Tombstone, or was a very curious person. How he would decipher Wyatt making a deal with Ike over the telegram is odd. Both men were drinkers and I can see the conversation drifting that way with Williams getting the drift of something and telling Ike his secret was safe.

The deal was supposed to be secret, Earp and Clanton knew what was at stake if the cowboys were made aware that a set-up by Ike was in the making. On some level it was a life and death situation to keep the information secret. Wyatt easily had other options available to him to send a confirmation. Sending Morgan to Benson to send a telegram would be just as easy as sending him all the way to Tucson to get Doc to confirm he didn't know about any deal. For Wyatt to go to that length to quiet Ike is suspicious? So if Wyatt goes to that length, why wouldn't he send for the information without getting Williams involved. Was Ike fearful that Williams would talk or reveal his actions. Why not be equally upset that Williams knew details but be focused in on Doc knowing something? I guess if you had Hill and Mclaury involved things would be unraveling. Although, by there involvement if was in their best interest to keep it quiet also.

I can't imagine Wyatt talking openly to Ike for Williams to see? What we know is the talk was at night between the two as they walked the streets. Something was there to tip Williams and I think drinking may have been the common thread that unraveled the deal. It may have been as simple as that. Thanks again,

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  • In a Pella Advertiser, November 7, 1896, article it quotes Wyatt Earp on the gunfight and the deal leading up to the gunfight. Wyatt makes mention of the stage robbery that killed the driver and a... more
    • Hi Bruce Wyatt told lots of stories, didn't he? This version does not explain why Williams or Doc would be so concerned about "treachery" regarding murderers. It does not explain how Doc found out.... more
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        • ObservationsGary Roberts, Wed Apr 11 08:13
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          • So?bfrey, Thu Apr 12 06:05
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            • SoGary Roberts, Thu Apr 12 06:25
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              • I am curious...bfrey, Thu Apr 12 15:55
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                • I don't have an easy answer for youGary Roberts, Fri Apr 13 06:23
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                  • Thanks/ telegram — bfret, Fri Apr 13 11:38
                  • Re: I don't have an easy answer for youharveycmd, Fri Apr 13 09:14
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                    • bias,bfrey, Sat Apr 14 09:34
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                      • Re: bias,harveycmd, Sat Apr 14 11:06
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        • Not Wyatt. He read what he was supposed to read. k
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