First, Marks did identify her source--see p. 443 (213. "tall man": CI, p. 15.). CI in her note system stands for Coroner's Inquest.
We don't know where the other officers were. Bronk may have been at home asleep having worked all night. And all of this speculation about calling on ex-officers or officers from other counties is really unnecessary. It is hindsight and of very little use in analyzing what happened.
Where does the speculating take us? Does it really help us understand what happened?
It may be fun to play "what if," but there's a danger that all we do is to become more confused by adding speculation about things we can't possibly know to a mix that is tough enough to unravel using what we do and/or can know. Understanding the limitations of what we know is important, and can help us to ask meaningful questions. But to have any real use, they still have to be tethered to the factual core.
I agree, sources should of been given, but Marks failed to identify the sources? I think there were a few other testimonies that would of been useful if they testified. Obviously this case was about... more
bfrey, Given the fact that Ike Clanton was the one who leveled the charge of murder against the Earps and Doc Holliday, was Litttleton Price empowered to lower that charge, on his own, to manslaugher ... more
The office of the Prosecutor determines what charges to level and what they can prove. Ike and Wm McLaury demanded and lobbied for the charges they wanted. That is not suppose to be the way it works. ... more
Without a primer in territorial law, it is difficult to offer strong opinions on how things were supposed to work. We can't assume that the laws of 1881 Arizona operated the same way that they do in... more
Obviously there are differences, but obviously Ike did not know what the differences were in a legal complaint. Ike charged everyone with the highest count irregardless of the evidence. Is it any... more
"regardless" or "irrespective." "Irregardless" is not a word. Or, rather, it is a word, but it is the sort of incorrect word that will get you red-flagged every time by the grammer police. File it... more
Doc could of been charged with manslaughter or another form of murder by the witness statements the cowboys presented. I didn't say the statements were true but they could of convinced a jury. If Doc ... more
Offering any good points, means participating in the forum with ideas and insight. You seem to just lurk around and pounce on others with your delightful criticism. If that makes you happy, please... more
I don't "pounce" on others. I reserve my "pouncing" for you specifically owing to you specifically being the prime offender in these matters. If you posted less, it would be less of an issue, and I... more
teach a community college I think they would need a person with your talent. Got an original thought or idea let me know, otherwise your wasting my time. You could at least spell right if you or... more
I believe Ike swore out the complaint and the warrant was issued on his sworn complaint/affadavit. Today a citizen makes a complaint and an officer/prosecutor will obtain a warrant signed by a judge. ... more
bfrey, Don't you think that because of the politicalization of this case that had Price charged the Earps and Holliday with a lesser charge than murder that the NUGGET would have voiced indignant... more
I have to imagine that the Nugget would understand Price's decision if it was explained? The Nugget always voiced indignant outrage. Bottom line who was in charge of this decision, Ike, Will, and the ... more
Yes, speculation isn't useful I agree. What is factual is that no other law enforcement officers were enlisted to enforce a local ordinance. There were other sworn officers that easily could of been... more
Judge away, but keep in mind that your judgments are likely to say more about you than they are about Virgil’s decisions that day. I think that is Gary’s point. The rather uncomplicated truth is that ... more
bfrey, The fact is that the men who confronted the cow-boys in the vacant lot were the very same men that Ike Clanton had been threatening all morning long. If Virgil Earp had enlisted other deputies ... more
That's another good point. The men who confronted the cowboys were the same men who had been repeatedly threatened. Therefore, by the standards of honor operative at the place and time, having the... more
So as to Ike threatening and calling the tune we have to question if the others were actively involved and aware of the level of Ike's threats? Ike at one point was a one man band. Ike was also... more
bfrey, Well, Frank McLaury may have had his own private tune playing in his head. While it was Ike's dim-witted public one-man-riot that put Tombstone on edge, it was Frank McLaury's intransigent... more
swaggered: past participle, past tense of swag·ger Verb: Walk or behave in a very confident and typically arrogant or aggressive way. That is basically the way that many Tombstone citizens believed... more
In my opinion the Earps should of been a little more contrite about taking 3 lives. They should of took the posture of acting remorseful, regretting their actions and saying so. They still had the... more
swagger and sashay suggest an element of strutting, arrogantly in the former case, with a certain contrived, "look-at-me" nonchalance in the latter. My own hunch, based on nothing, is that the Earps... more
They listened enough to get themselves in trouble. If you rub your hands in catfish charlie they are going to stink for a while no matter how much you try to wash them afterward. Others can even come ... more
bfrey I don't understand your question mark after "...Marks failed to identify sources?" Are you saying she did identify them because I don't see where? Once into a trial who would not try and win?... more
Sorry about the question mark after the quote. I guess I was asking why she wouldn't list a source regarding that comment. You explain it perfectly, who would not try and win. Everyone tries to win... more
bfrey In most books including the best on these subjects, like "Doc Holliday The Life and Legend" and "Wyatt Earp The Life Behand the Legend" the footnotes are so clear and easy to follow. A few... more