Ike called the tune, but the others weren't listening..
Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:55
So as to Ike threatening and calling the tune we have to question if the others were actively involved and aware of the level of Ike's threats? Ike at one point was a one man band. Ike was also responding to specific threats made by Holliday over a deal the Earp's tried to arrange. Ike had later stated in court, "I made no worse threats than they made to me".
Tom was aware of Ike's row but seemed to be taken off guard? When confronted by Wyatt he protested that he had no fight in the matter or difficulties with Wyatt. He was aware of it after being pistol whipped.
Frank and Billy enter in from a different location and were not called for by Ike. Frank seems to be confused when told Tom has been hit. He specifically stated we will go and not drink. They for all practical purposes looked to be leaving as they did not stable their horses.
I disagree that you believe Ike called the tune for the others. He was on a drunken rampage and responding to specific threats made to him by the Earp party. He was in violation of the law, and I have never questioned the Earp's authority to respond. It was their duty.
I'm sure others on this forum are more aware than I of the law officers at Virgil's command that could of gotten the job done. Bronk comes to mind. Yes, Virgil knew he had two gun hands in Doc and Morgan going down there. His intent was to arrest and intimidate, I don't think the rest of his group was on board with his wishes.
The citizens of Tombstone did not wholly back this action, in fact the Earp's lost a large group that had been supporting them. I can apply today's standard's to back than in some mannner, in that the Earp's lost respect of the Tombstone community, while still being empowered by the politicians and prominent businessman. The Earps swaggered around Tombstone, armed, and confronting those who disagreed with their actions. Virgil slapped Joyce over comments and was backed up by an armed group. Certainly over the course of history we have seen what potential abuse of police power has brought. The Earps lost their leverage after that gunfight politically and otherwise. I don't think the same would of happened if Virgil was escorted by sworn officers. The cause is not that difficult to understand but the reason is still complex.
That's another good point. The men who confronted the cowboys were the same men who had been repeatedly threatened. Therefore, by the standards of honor operative at the place and time, having the... more
Ike called the tune, but the others weren't listening.. bfrey,Tue Apr 17 10:55
bfrey, Well, Frank McLaury may have had his own private tune playing in his head. While it was Ike's dim-witted public one-man-riot that put Tombstone on edge, it was Frank McLaury's intransigent... more
swaggered: past participle, past tense of swag·ger Verb: Walk or behave in a very confident and typically arrogant or aggressive way. That is basically the way that many Tombstone citizens believed... more
In my opinion the Earps should of been a little more contrite about taking 3 lives. They should of took the posture of acting remorseful, regretting their actions and saying so. They still had the... more
swagger and sashay suggest an element of strutting, arrogantly in the former case, with a certain contrived, "look-at-me" nonchalance in the latter. My own hunch, based on nothing, is that the Earps... more
They listened enough to get themselves in trouble. If you rub your hands in catfish charlie they are going to stink for a while no matter how much you try to wash them afterward. Others can even come ... more