It is obvious from King's account that the person Frank was walking with and talking to seperated at Bauer's. Frank going down and the other man going up to the post office.
It is unclear to me if Frank is in a group as he is walking with this man. King states she does not know the sheriff, and she did not know the Earp's on sight. She knew Holliday.
It appears to me that the defense is trying to probe if those remarks were referring to one person or the Earp's as a group. If they got King to say, "them" as a opposed to "you" I believe it would point specifically to Frank making a threat to the Earps. "They will find us just below" indicates to me it would of been a threat to the Earp party, that the cowboys were waiting for them.
As to the prosecutions follow-up question: Was the man to whom that remark was made one of the party who passed the butcher shop door with Doc Holliday, or Holliday himself? A. I could not say." (she knew Holliday, how could she not say?)
Is the prosecution trying to set a foundation that the Earps with Holliday agreed to meet the cowboys to fight? This would make it a personal affair and take away the Earp's assertion that it was just a strictly law enforcement effort.
If King doesn't know Behan was Behan talking to Frank? Or is Behan discounted because we know his specific route.
Sheriff Behan testified that after leaving Virgil Earp at Hafford's, "I then went down Fourth street to the corner of Fremont, and I met there Frank McLowry holding a horse and talking to somebody."... more
3. Is it plausible that Sheriff Behan would have called someone as prominent as Mark Smith, "somebody?" Sure, if he didnít want to draw attention for a private reason already mentioned. Lawyers... more
It seems probable that he would not want to mention Smith during testimony. Smith did not wish to be dragged into this matter in any form. If Behan mentioned Smith specifically, that would give a... more
The only thing is that Behan tended to be very specific when mentioning individuals, and Frank talking to Smith might have even helped the cowboys' case if they were all in cahoots. Interesting, in... more
thanks for reposting... and a couple of things bfrey,Fri Apr 20 07:14
Actually, I think you have it backwards as to who Mrs. King recognized (not "knew"). She recognized the town marshal and recognized that the other two were his brothers, but did not know their names. ... more
"I only knew one of the party and that was Doc Holliday, there were 3 other men with him and I was told it was the Earp's" What is interesting is the conversation that the man leading the horse is... more
To me it appears the man with the horse is walking past Bauers, talking to the tall man, who I assume is casually walking with him? He was in the "act of leading his horse-when he turned to the other ... more
Hi Bruce I found that King comment "I could not say" curious, too. But I think she probably just meant she could not be sure who it had been said to. Logic says she knew it was not Holliday as it was ... more
Interesting observations. I have testified in court many times and have seen some bizarre scenarios. After awhile you learn that the truth of the matter and what you know is most important and that... more
My guess is that if Frank met the sheriff at the corner, and if the man he was talking to at the corner walked with Frank and the Sheriff, they were not with a group. They might have come upon a... more
If Frank is the person leading the horse pass Bauer's he held those reins until he was shot dead. Some have speculated it was a green horse or half broke in. I know the least about horses on this... more
From the time he arrived in Tombstone, Frank appears to have kept his horse close at hand. The only exceptions were times when he went into a business. He left his horse outside when he went into... more
If a person's strong hand is the one he uses, could we assume that to control a horse, and be comfortable you would use your right hand.(if your right handed) Most people do use the hand they are... more
is that given the circumstances, he was holding the reins in his left hand. Experienced frontiersmen, not just gunners, understood the mechanics of confrontation well enough to keep their gunhands... more
Generally speaking you walk on the horses left, thus holding the reins in your right hand, otherwise the reins would be across your body. Experienced horsemen at least today, know that a horse needs... more
It is an interesting consideration. I differ with you in that I don't believe the cowboys were any more expecting a gunfight than the Earp's did. I believe I have heard you state previously that the... more
While I believe that the fight was something both sides hoped to avoid, I believe that each side expected the worst from the other. I believe that the Earps thought that the cowboys were on the prod... more
Gary I can see an arguement the Earp's expected a fight as each were armed and ready and they were going after the cowboys. I cannot understand the case for the cowboys expecting a fight as Ike was... more
I find your point that Frank might not be the man holding the horse in front of Bauer's interesting for sure. I don't think Frank was ready for a fight. A man getting ready for mortal combat would... more
Gary, It's possible as you describe. Tom was standing by Billy's horse in the empty lot. Would Ike have taken to leading Frank's horse? Frank's horse was said by some source to have been "half broke" ... more
that Frank has his horse with him somewhere between Bauer's and the corner of Fourth and Fremont where he met Behan. I don't believe he ever let go the reins unless he went into a store. That is why... more
What this conversation points out, is that we have not explored all the possibilities and that there could be even more scenarios if we had additional information. There has to be so much more that... more
The tall man was someone who walked away from Bauer's toward Fourth Street in the direction of the Post Office. That almost certainly was not Billy Clanton. There's no evidence Billy ever went in... more