TTR: October 30, 2013
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Gary Roberts
Kenny has it nailed
Mon Apr 23, 2012 06:10

Peter, Kenny has laid out the situation well. Believe me, if the Earps had created any problems it would have made the papers. The CITIZEN warned on August 28, 1881, opening day of the festival that the city would see a gathering of "sharpers of all kinds," adding that "thieves, burglars, pick-pockets, and cut throats will be here in large numbers," but the only reports involving the Earps in September and October 1881 relate to their activities as lawmen in Tombstone.

Doc was a "circuit gambler," even while he was in Tombstone, which explains his periodic absences. That means he followed the games. Kate was a bit confused on her chronology, but I have no doubt that he visited the San Augustin Festival. On September 29, the TUCSON STAR reported that "over two hundred people have left Tucson to attend the feast at Magdalena on the 4th proximo, it being the regular annual feast of San Francisco. This includes a number of the sporting fraternity." This is consistent with Doc's movement. He was back in Tombstone at the end of September and left again. He was not in Tombstone with Lou Rickabaugh reopened the refurbished Oriental on October 11, and the EPITAPH had a listed an unclaimed letter for Kate on October 15. The way I reconstruct things, Doc and Kate returned to Tombstone near mid-October and went back to Tucson sometimes about October 19 or 20. Kate says they were in Tucson this time "about four days," whih would be consistent with the testimony that Morgan went to get him shortly after that in time for Doc to return before the confrontation on the night of the 25th.

"The Earp gang" is a post street fight term. It gained wider use during the vendetta and afterwards during the political battles of 1882. With the Earps gone, it became even more commonly used. Believe me, if the Earps had caused any trouble at San Augustin in 1881, the newspapers would have jumped on it like a crow on a June bug at the time, and it would have been presented as an exhibit against the Earps by the TUCSON STAR which launched a crusade against the Earps early in 1882. They were digging up anything they could find against the Earps. If the STAR's editor had had anything against the Earps that had happened in Tucson, they would have used it.

Just days before the San Augustin Festival the papers were reporting that the Top and Bottom Gang had been driven out of Benson. Ed Byrnes was arrested and jailed at Tombstone, but many of the others headed for Tucson. As for the Earps, they had their hands full. They arrested Stillwell and Spence in Septemberand were otherwise occupied in September. In October, they were part of Behan's group chasing Apaches. On October 8, the Benson stage was robbed north of Contention. On October 13, Virgil took Stilwell and Spence to Tucson on federal charges. He returned to Tombstone the next day, but on October 20 he was back in Tucson along with Marshall Williams and John Behan to testify against Stilwell and Spence, which left Wyatt as acting marshal in Tombstone. On October 22, three men escaped from the county jail, and the Earp brothers joined Behan and Breakenridge in the effort to recapture them.

The Earps were in pretty good shape in August 1881. They were not going to mess it up by doing something stupid in Tucson that could damage their credibility in Tombstone. Two years later, people were blaming everything bad that had ever happened in Arizona on "the Earp gang."

Best!

Gary

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  • Enlightenment please - Gary, probablyPeter Love, Sun Apr 22 03:19
    Anyone I came across this one. It must have had plenty of attention. I have posted in PDF form. The item of interest is "Another Badge"... more
    • Peter, bravo on another fascinating find. K.t.K., Sun Apr 22 11:19
      However, a few things don’t stack up against the law of chronology. Fiesta de San Agustin - called the “Feast” by the Anglos, was begun every 28th of August to celebrate St. Augustine who is the... more
      • Interesting factsPeter Love, Sun Apr 22 18:14
        Hi Kenny When I read this I wondered whether it was one of those old-time tongue in cheek type reports. But if so, it goes over my head, and I think the average Tucson reader would also see it as a... more
        • Don't believe everything you read in a newspaper.Butch Badon, Mon Apr 23 16:08
          And that's advice coming from one who spent 25 of his working years as a reporter and editor. To elaborate: The newspaper may - or may not - have quoted the sheriff accurately. Even so, just because... more
        • Peter, let me take you in deeper.K.t.K., Sun Apr 22 21:25
          At the feast of 1881 the games of chance are nearly all conducted within the inner court of the main building. Many of the professional gamblers running the numerous gambling booths and venues came... more
          • ThanksPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 00:07
            Kenny Yes, I believe you. But then I wonder what would be a possible explanation for Johnson making such a public statement, only 2 years later? And in front of many local men who were probably... more
            • Kenny has it nailed — Gary Roberts, Mon Apr 23 06:10
              • ThanksPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 06:44
                Gary But....why? That is what bugs me. If we are certain the statement is wrong, what is the reason it was said, and who was the source? A blatant transparent lie, or a mistaken third-hand account?... more
                • The worm had turned . . . Gary Roberts, Mon Apr 23 08:07
                  by 1884. With the Earps gone, a pattern developed of blaming them for all kinds of things that were never even suggested while they were there. Editorial interests have a way of changing over time. I ... more
                  • Damn newspapersPeter Love, Tue Apr 24 00:16
                    Hi Gary (and Butch) I don't reckon you can trust ANYTHING you can read in them now. Yes Gary, I think something can still be learned from this article. I think the historical newspaper coverage that... more
                    • Tucson Directory, 1881Bob Paul, Tue Apr 24 08:28
                      Peter: The Tucson city directory cited in your message can be found in the 1988 Copper State Bulletin, produced by the Arizona State Genealogical Society (ASGS). The ASGS has morphed into the Pima... more
                      • Thanks BobPeter Love, Sat Apr 28 05:44
                        I was surprised to see it, I guess Tombstone did just not get big enough, or everyone was too busy seeking power or fortune. Regards Peter
                  • Well it's also possibleButch Badon, Mon Apr 23 16:13
                    the story is quite true. But I have qualified my thoughts in a post above. While I think it is folly to depend on this one article for the accuracy of the story, I also think it's just as silly to... more
                    • PossibilitiesGary Roberts, Tue Apr 24 05:19
                      Butch, I don't think this story has been dismissed out of hand. The detailed reporting that Kenny provided and the information I added demonstrates that the circumstances of the San Augustin Festival ... more
                      • Re: PossibilitiesPeter Love, Sat Apr 28 06:00
                        Hi Gary I wonder what was considered the "Top and Bottom" gang, could have been conflated with the "Earp gang", a later thing, in the public mind. I guess all these roving and colorful gamblers were... more
                    • As Gary made clear, if it were true the Earp's newspaper enemies at the time would have made the most of it as opposed to what they actually did, which was say nothing at all Never trust the media... more
            • man at large...bfrey, Mon Apr 23 04:26
              If you consider the Earp's had their hands in gambling operations, this would of been a lovely target. It seems all the Earp's are tied up with law enforcement efforts that side tracked them. Why... more
              • He didn't,exactlyPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 05:26
                Hi Bruce See my correction. They weren't real big on quotation marks back then. When I read it for the third time, I realized Johnson was talking about Johnson. So it is not the direct quote I... more
                • Pete, see what you think...bfrey, Mon Apr 23 05:44
                  http://www.historynet.com/the-gamblers-war-in-tombstone.htm Here is a good article by Robert Jay giving some history of the gambling wars. It seems Doc and the Earp's may have been in Tucson at the... more
                  • Johnson pegs it as 1881K.t.K., Mon Apr 23 06:42
                    The 'top & bottom" gang were essentially in Colorado in 1880, getting run out of Leadville and moving on. Their leader had gone to Dodge City while the bulk of the gang went to Buena Vista and lasted ... more
                    • 1880 festivalbfrey, Mon Apr 23 07:12
                      The festival is 1880 opened on August 27th 1880. The paper sources describe this as basically a gamblers event that lasted 5 to 6 weeks. Tyler is in Tucson and registered at the Palace hotel in time... more
                      • Re: 1880 festivalK.t.K., Mon Apr 23 08:06
                        I'd like to see the source for "five or six weeks." However, we're not in consideration of 1880. The Johnson article of March 1884 makes no mistake in that regard. Let's look again: "Two years from... more
                        • I'm convinced bfrey, Mon Apr 23 10:38
                          The newspaper article I read was an editorial on the fiesta and critical of what it turned into. They characterized it as a large gambling festival that ran for 5 weeks. I will have to go back and... more
                          • Convincing the convincedK.t.K., Tue Apr 24 11:40
                            Records of 1880 make it easy to elimate the Earps from the Feast that year. Morgan Earp got a shaky start as Wells Fargo messenger from August 1st. His special relationship with the company allowed... more
                            • double convinced...bfrey, Tue Apr 24 15:26
                              Reading about the festival and the grounds in Levin Park was interesting. I had no idea the facility was that big and had that much variety. Music, shooting galleries, bowling, gambling etc. Alex... more
                              • Re: double convinced...K.t.K., Tue Apr 24 15:59
                                And besides all that fandago there was horse racing at the Silver Lake track not far away where they specialized in the 500 yard dash. Masquerade Balls came off all during the year at the Park. Alex... more
                            • Correction: Not Colton ...K.t.K., Tue Apr 24 11:54
                              Rather Temescal. Nick moved from there to Colton in November. Adelia and Will Edwards were at San Bernardino. Kenny
            • CorrectionPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 00:18
              Kenny In re-reading this, it seems that it was not Johnson who made this statement, probably just the writer. It is still a curiosity though, I wonder was there any follow-up to this article Regards... more
              • You made me do it, Peter.K.t.K., Mon Apr 23 07:49
                I opened it up and pulled an except from the Edward Byrnes biography - just a tidbit un-edited: “In the absence of leader Byrnes, taking opportunistic advantage of the “Feast” meant the gang was... more
      • Earps in TombstoneBob Paul, Sun Apr 22 12:52
        Kenny: Re "we have the Earps in tombstone", isn't this about the time when Virgil and James were involved in the fracas with McMaster and the suggested failed communication/direction from Tucson... more
        • Where is Doc in October?bfrey, Sun Apr 22 18:57
          On September 29 the Tucson star reported, "Over two hundred people have left Tucson to attend the feast at Magdalena (in Mexico) on the 4th proximo, it being the regular annual feast of San... more
          • Levins Park had it going on!bfrey, Sun Apr 22 18:57
            Levin's Park is also worthy of some description, having been for many years a very popular resort in Tucson. Here the San Augustine fiestas were held, celebration of both American and Mexican... more
        • ExactlyK.t.K., Sun Apr 22 13:02
          Late on September 9 Virgil quick-deputizes James, for nuetralizing Ringo on horseback who is trying to assist McMaster, while Virgil hunts Mr. Mc. k
    • Since the Earps were in Tombstone andTom Gaumer, Sun Apr 22 08:31
      Peter Morgan was only in Tucson briefly to pick up Doc, perhaps the Earps talked about were the Chubb Earp family. You know those wild and crazy guys, Ben, Bob, Beasley, Bodine and Bippy? Keep... more
    • Two years from the last Fiesta there was a desperate gang at Levin's park. They proposed to control the entertainment. Among this bad element were the Earps, Holliday and their companions. Mr. Gates... more
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