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K.t.K.
Convincing the convinced
Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:40

Records of 1880 make it easy to elimate the Earps from the Feast that year. Morgan Earp got a shaky start as Wells Fargo messenger from August 1st. His special relationship with the company allowed for him being used in various stints for service asspecial deputy sheriff Beginning of the Feast however, he was back on the Tombstone to Benson run with short shotgun across his lap:

"Shotgun Messenger.
Morgan Earp, during the temporary absence of John [Bob] Paul, will officiate as shotgun messenger for Wells, Fargo & Co. between here and Benson."
[Epitaph – Aug. 28, 1880]

On September 4 Morg was called back as Special to transport a prisoner to county jail:

"Geo. McKinney was taken to Tucson by Special Deputy Morgan Earp, on Saturday last."
[Epitaph - 9/11/1880]

This visit to Tucson gave Morg opportunity for a brief stopover at San Augustine Fair which was scheduled to last one more week. Possibly it was at this venue where Morgan Earp first met gamblers Doc Holliday and Anthony Kraker just down from Prescott. We must keep in mind that Morg Earp had never met Holliday before fall 1880. This is significant when considering an "Earp gang" existing to cause havoc that year in Tucson.

Morg went directly back to Tombstone, where, on Sept. 8 he was handed a warrant to nab a man on charge of grand larceny. This caused Morg another lengthy absence from his messenger job as a chase ensued (wearing rain slickers) which took Earp just across the line into Sonora where he made the capture, resulting in a transport back to Tucson. (I already revealed to you concerning the dust-up en route between Morg and Pony Deal.) By the time of Earp and prisoner reaching Tucson the Feast would be about concluded.

Here’s the kicker - all during this time Wyatt Earp was very busy running the sheriff’s office at Tombstone - in and out of town (well-documented)- also he was short-handed with Deputy Babcock in bed sick for about two months with only Constable Miller (That’s why Morg was needed so much). This eliminates Wyatt altogether from participating in "Earp gang" activities at the Feast.

Meanwhile Allie Earp had gone to Colton early in August to visit the folks:

"Mrs. Virgil Earp departed by yesterday’s stage for a visit to her old home in San Bernardino. We wish her a pleasant trip and speedy return."
[Epitaph-8/4/1880]

On Tuesday August 24 Virgil had his turn to go visiting his folks in Colton:

"Virgil Earp took his departure for California by yesterday’s coach on a visit to the old folks."
[Epitaph – 8/25/1880]

I would think this tends to eliminate the possiblity of Virgil every laying eyes on the Feast of 1880, since he was in another state.

Kenny






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  • Enlightenment please - Gary, probablyPeter Love, Sun Apr 22 03:19
    Anyone I came across this one. It must have had plenty of attention. I have posted in PDF form. The item of interest is "Another Badge"... more
    • Peter, bravo on another fascinating find. K.t.K., Sun Apr 22 11:19
      However, a few things don’t stack up against the law of chronology. Fiesta de San Agustin - called the “Feast” by the Anglos, was begun every 28th of August to celebrate St. Augustine who is the... more
      • Interesting factsPeter Love, Sun Apr 22 18:14
        Hi Kenny When I read this I wondered whether it was one of those old-time tongue in cheek type reports. But if so, it goes over my head, and I think the average Tucson reader would also see it as a... more
        • Don't believe everything you read in a newspaper.Butch Badon, Mon Apr 23 16:08
          And that's advice coming from one who spent 25 of his working years as a reporter and editor. To elaborate: The newspaper may - or may not - have quoted the sheriff accurately. Even so, just because... more
        • Peter, let me take you in deeper.K.t.K., Sun Apr 22 21:25
          At the feast of 1881 the games of chance are nearly all conducted within the inner court of the main building. Many of the professional gamblers running the numerous gambling booths and venues came... more
          • ThanksPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 00:07
            Kenny Yes, I believe you. But then I wonder what would be a possible explanation for Johnson making such a public statement, only 2 years later? And in front of many local men who were probably... more
            • Kenny has it nailedGary Roberts, Mon Apr 23 06:10
              Peter, Kenny has laid out the situation well. Believe me, if the Earps had created any problems it would have made the papers. The CITIZEN warned on August 28, 1881, opening day of the festival that... more
              • ThanksPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 06:44
                Gary But....why? That is what bugs me. If we are certain the statement is wrong, what is the reason it was said, and who was the source? A blatant transparent lie, or a mistaken third-hand account?... more
                • The worm had turned . . . Gary Roberts, Mon Apr 23 08:07
                  by 1884. With the Earps gone, a pattern developed of blaming them for all kinds of things that were never even suggested while they were there. Editorial interests have a way of changing over time. I ... more
                  • Damn newspapersPeter Love, Tue Apr 24 00:16
                    Hi Gary (and Butch) I don't reckon you can trust ANYTHING you can read in them now. Yes Gary, I think something can still be learned from this article. I think the historical newspaper coverage that... more
                    • Tucson Directory, 1881Bob Paul, Tue Apr 24 08:28
                      Peter: The Tucson city directory cited in your message can be found in the 1988 Copper State Bulletin, produced by the Arizona State Genealogical Society (ASGS). The ASGS has morphed into the Pima... more
                      • Thanks BobPeter Love, Sat Apr 28 05:44
                        I was surprised to see it, I guess Tombstone did just not get big enough, or everyone was too busy seeking power or fortune. Regards Peter
                  • Well it's also possibleButch Badon, Mon Apr 23 16:13
                    the story is quite true. But I have qualified my thoughts in a post above. While I think it is folly to depend on this one article for the accuracy of the story, I also think it's just as silly to... more
                    • PossibilitiesGary Roberts, Tue Apr 24 05:19
                      Butch, I don't think this story has been dismissed out of hand. The detailed reporting that Kenny provided and the information I added demonstrates that the circumstances of the San Augustin Festival ... more
                      • Re: PossibilitiesPeter Love, Sat Apr 28 06:00
                        Hi Gary I wonder what was considered the "Top and Bottom" gang, could have been conflated with the "Earp gang", a later thing, in the public mind. I guess all these roving and colorful gamblers were... more
                    • As Gary made clear, if it were true the Earp's newspaper enemies at the time would have made the most of it as opposed to what they actually did, which was say nothing at all Never trust the media... more
            • man at large...bfrey, Mon Apr 23 04:26
              If you consider the Earp's had their hands in gambling operations, this would of been a lovely target. It seems all the Earp's are tied up with law enforcement efforts that side tracked them. Why... more
              • He didn't,exactlyPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 05:26
                Hi Bruce See my correction. They weren't real big on quotation marks back then. When I read it for the third time, I realized Johnson was talking about Johnson. So it is not the direct quote I... more
                • Pete, see what you think...bfrey, Mon Apr 23 05:44
                  http://www.historynet.com/the-gamblers-war-in-tombstone.htm Here is a good article by Robert Jay giving some history of the gambling wars. It seems Doc and the Earp's may have been in Tucson at the... more
                  • Johnson pegs it as 1881K.t.K., Mon Apr 23 06:42
                    The 'top & bottom" gang were essentially in Colorado in 1880, getting run out of Leadville and moving on. Their leader had gone to Dodge City while the bulk of the gang went to Buena Vista and lasted ... more
                    • 1880 festivalbfrey, Mon Apr 23 07:12
                      The festival is 1880 opened on August 27th 1880. The paper sources describe this as basically a gamblers event that lasted 5 to 6 weeks. Tyler is in Tucson and registered at the Palace hotel in time... more
                      • Re: 1880 festivalK.t.K., Mon Apr 23 08:06
                        I'd like to see the source for "five or six weeks." However, we're not in consideration of 1880. The Johnson article of March 1884 makes no mistake in that regard. Let's look again: "Two years from... more
                        • I'm convinced bfrey, Mon Apr 23 10:38
                          The newspaper article I read was an editorial on the fiesta and critical of what it turned into. They characterized it as a large gambling festival that ran for 5 weeks. I will have to go back and... more
                          • Convincing the convinced — K.t.K., Tue Apr 24 11:40
                            • double convinced...bfrey, Tue Apr 24 15:26
                              Reading about the festival and the grounds in Levin Park was interesting. I had no idea the facility was that big and had that much variety. Music, shooting galleries, bowling, gambling etc. Alex... more
                              • Re: double convinced...K.t.K., Tue Apr 24 15:59
                                And besides all that fandago there was horse racing at the Silver Lake track not far away where they specialized in the 500 yard dash. Masquerade Balls came off all during the year at the Park. Alex... more
                            • Correction: Not Colton ...K.t.K., Tue Apr 24 11:54
                              Rather Temescal. Nick moved from there to Colton in November. Adelia and Will Edwards were at San Bernardino. Kenny
            • CorrectionPeter Love, Mon Apr 23 00:18
              Kenny In re-reading this, it seems that it was not Johnson who made this statement, probably just the writer. It is still a curiosity though, I wonder was there any follow-up to this article Regards... more
              • You made me do it, Peter.K.t.K., Mon Apr 23 07:49
                I opened it up and pulled an except from the Edward Byrnes biography - just a tidbit un-edited: “In the absence of leader Byrnes, taking opportunistic advantage of the “Feast” meant the gang was... more
      • Earps in TombstoneBob Paul, Sun Apr 22 12:52
        Kenny: Re "we have the Earps in tombstone", isn't this about the time when Virgil and James were involved in the fracas with McMaster and the suggested failed communication/direction from Tucson... more
        • Where is Doc in October?bfrey, Sun Apr 22 18:57
          On September 29 the Tucson star reported, "Over two hundred people have left Tucson to attend the feast at Magdalena (in Mexico) on the 4th proximo, it being the regular annual feast of San... more
          • Levins Park had it going on!bfrey, Sun Apr 22 18:57
            Levin's Park is also worthy of some description, having been for many years a very popular resort in Tucson. Here the San Augustine fiestas were held, celebration of both American and Mexican... more
        • ExactlyK.t.K., Sun Apr 22 13:02
          Late on September 9 Virgil quick-deputizes James, for nuetralizing Ringo on horseback who is trying to assist McMaster, while Virgil hunts Mr. Mc. k
    • Since the Earps were in Tombstone andTom Gaumer, Sun Apr 22 08:31
      Peter Morgan was only in Tucson briefly to pick up Doc, perhaps the Earps talked about were the Chubb Earp family. You know those wild and crazy guys, Ben, Bob, Beasley, Bodine and Bippy? Keep... more
    • Two years from the last Fiesta there was a desperate gang at Levin's park. They proposed to control the entertainment. Among this bad element were the Earps, Holliday and their companions. Mr. Gates... more
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