Peter Love
Re: A report for Tom
Wed May 2, 2012 20:56
Hi Gary
I agree that the route/s the boys took is an important piece of the "puzzle", as it can explain some of the seemingly contradictory testimony.
Thanks for the great analysis. I had also thought that Tombstone in that section anyway, must have been pretty "open". This could also help explain why some reports suggest the vacant lot was a rear entrance to the OK corral, and how around Bauer's might be seen as "at the corner"? Billy Allen also saw the guys walking between the corrals from Allen street.
You have concluded that the youngsters got to the lot first. If this is so, it might suggest that location had not been premeditated by the group. But how did you conclude this, and do you think this sheds any light on how long the participants had been there?
Regards
Pete
I agree that the route/s the boys took is an important piece of the "puzzle", as it can explain some of the seemingly contradictory testimony.
Thanks for the great analysis. I had also thought that Tombstone in that section anyway, must have been pretty "open". This could also help explain why some reports suggest the vacant lot was a rear entrance to the OK corral, and how around Bauer's might be seen as "at the corner"? Billy Allen also saw the guys walking between the corrals from Allen street.
You have concluded that the youngsters got to the lot first. If this is so, it might suggest that location had not been premeditated by the group. But how did you conclude this, and do you think this sheds any light on how long the participants had been there?
Regards
Pete
- A report for Tom — Gary Roberts, Tue May 1 08:16Tom, Here is the rationale for what I will call the “back route” hypothesis in explaining how Billy Clanton and Willie Claiborne got to the vacant lot. I fear that it will disappoint you because it... more
- Re: A report for Tom — Peter Love, Wed May 2 20:56
- Not disappointed and knew it could only be theoretical — Tom Gaumer, Wed May 2 09:56Gary as no direct evidence says anything about the "back route." Thank you and I appreciate your taking the time to explain it You convinced me a long time ago that the idea of villains and victims... more
- It's curious — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 11:47Tom, but your post is virtually the only one that relates to the subject of the back route. The rest are all about Cuddy. Best!
- Cuddy... — bfrey, Tue May 1 11:49Excellent overview and very detailed reconstruction. Two things jump out at me from Cuddy's testimony. The fact that Wm.Clanton put his hand to his gun as Cuddy approached. What was Billy's mindset,... more
- Maybe it was Tom McLaury — Geraldo, Tue May 1 14:15Cuddy said he knew the Sheriff and the Clantons. Since he didn't identify the person trying to mount the horse as Ike or Billy, it seems more likely that it might have been one of the McLaurys(who he ... more
- Re: Cuddy — Gary Roberts, Tue May 1 12:331. Billy was obviously nervous. I pretty much leave it that. I don't speculate about his feelings beyond that. 2. What other testimony? Cuddy did not say anyone was mounted. He said "he appeared to... more
- minute or a half.. — bfrey, Tue May 1 19:25The testimony seems to say a minute or a half, not minute and a half. Either way I think it is less than a minute to get through the lots if you are in a hurry. Especially if you are running from a... more
- There's no evidence . . . — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 05:46he was running from a fight.
- ok he was leaving quickly away from a gunfight........ — bfrey, Wed May 2 07:46I imagine his gait as well as his flight reflex with in full motion. Probably matched Cuddy's gait as Cuddy seemed to want out of that area pronto also.......
- Based on what? — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 07:52The rumors? He has overheard Behan say he wouldn't stand for any fighting. He has heard Ike say there won't be any trouble and that the cowboys are leaving town. He hasn't actually seen the Earps.... more
- based on.... — bfrey, Wed May 2 09:40Having a member of the party start to pull a weapon as he walked up to the group. Seeing the sheriff asking for weapons and not getting compliance, shouting that "the sheriff has been shot"! at the... more
- Obviously nervous.... — bfrey, Tue May 1 14:25What is Billy so obviously nervous about that he reaches for a gun as a stranger approaches? What does he fear enough to grab for a gun when in the company of the sheriff. I don't believe you can... more
- Cuddy (corrected, with apologies) — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 07:45Cuddy passed the cowboys near the sidewalk. He walked, by his testimony, the length of the block, stepping (not jumping) over a fence onto Allen Street near the corner of Third. This would have... more
- thanks, (no apologies needed) — bfrey, Wed May 2 09:51I am certainly an expert on making mistakes and posting too fast, so no apologies neccesary. I think everyone on the board realizes that their comments and typing get ahead of what they are trying to ... more
- Cuddy — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 06:16Cuddy passed the cowboys near the sidewalk. He walked, by his testimony, the length of the block, stepping (not jumping) over a fence onto Allen Street near the corner of Third. He then walked up... more
- passed through the lots.... — bfrey, Wed May 2 07:44I walked down as far as Fly's house and saw Sheriff Behan talking to 4 farmers. I approached one of them and Behan's back was to me. I passed on through the lots towards Allen St, crossed over a... more
- Re: Cuddy — B.J., Tue May 1 13:39Gary, I thought that Claiborne was on his way to warn his friends that the Earps were coming, when he got side tracked and delayed by a discussion with a lady?
- That was West Fuller (nm) — Gary Roberts, Wed May 2 05:48
- Thanks pardner! (nm) — B.J., Wed May 2 07:23
- Re: Cuddy — Peter Christoph, Tue May 1 20:39I think that was Wes Fuller. Because he stopped to chat up the "lady", he didn't make it to the vacant lot in time to warn his friends that the Earps were coming. Peter
- Billy and Willie — Peter Christoph, Tue May 1 08:51This is totally inane, I know, but can't we find some other way to refer to these guys? Every time I see Billy and Willie I hear Bo Diddley singing Willie and Lillie used to live on a hill Wasn't for ... more
- "Mattie told Hattie" — Geraldo, Tue May 1 12:06A few years ago, there were several threads on this board concerning the Earp women. Often I would see Mattie Blaylock and James Earp's step-daughter Hattie mentioned in the same paragraph. This... more
- Good One Jerry.\ (nm) — Butch Badon, Wed May 9 17:26
- Re: Billy and Willie — harveycmd, Tue May 1 09:31How about Tweedledee and Tweedledum?
- Re: Billy and Willie — Peter Christoph, Tue May 1 20:42That would bring to mind Laverne Baker singing Tweedilie tweedilie tweedilie dee I'm as happy as can be Peter
