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Butch Badon
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Sat Jul 7, 2012 12:56


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  • Ben, Wyatt and FloodBob Cash, Wed Jul 4 16:22
    One of the very positive things about Jeff Guinn's book THE LAST GUNFIGHT was hsi locating and quoting from the original John Flood interview notes with Wyatt. According to Quinn, Wyatt told Flood... more
    • According to Ben....K.t.K., Sun Jul 8 16:30
      ... Ed Hougue came to arrest him "with two others" as back-up. I always figured that determining who the "two others" were in assisting the arrest was the key. Possibly Wyatt was one of them,... more
      • "two others"Bob Cash, Tue Jul 10 12:31
        Very interesting observation that I don't recall being made by anybody else. Of course, Ben said he refused the demand to disarm by Hogue and the "two others" and that they were trembling in fear... more
        • one HougueK.t.K., Tue Jul 10 16:09
          The Ellsworth Reporter said "Hogue received the arms" of Ben Thompson...." k
        • Hit "reply" too soonBob Cash, Tue Jul 10 12:38
          Very interesting observation that I don't recall being made by anybody else. Of course, Ben said he refused the demand to disarm by Hogue and the "two others" and that they were trembling in fear... more
          • My thought is that....K.t.K., Tue Jul 10 15:05
            ... the "two others" as well as Hougue knew what they were facing going in - many scary Texans had the drop on them. I see the trio as very brave no matter what Ben said about them being scared. They ... more
            • Re: My thought is that....Bob Cash, Tue Jul 10 16:37
              Your supposition makes sense. So if Wyatt played any role at all under this scenario, he would have been with the group of armed citizens who supported Hogue and his two assistants from a distance.... more
      • Flood Manuscriptpat mulligan, Mon Jul 9 03:45
        Is there anyway to read the Flood MS. online?
    • I haven't seen the Flood interview notes.Jeff Morey, Wed Jul 4 16:56
      Bob, While I haven't seen the Flood interview notes, I don't see how they change much relative to the Ben Thompson arrest. After all, In the CASON M.S., Josephine Earp says that Wyatt told her about... more
      • Re: I haven't seen the Flood interview notes.Bob Cash, Wed Jul 4 19:26
        Jeff, since Josie's portions on Kansas in the Cason MS. so closely track events described in FRONTIER MARSHAL, even using the same device as Lake with Bat Masterson as her informant about most of... more
        • I would have to see the interview notes...Jeff Morey, Wed Jul 4 22:51
          Bob, I would have to see the interview notes to better appraise this question. Are they dated? I have a hard time believing Flood was enlisted to write a manuscript that early. In a way, this puzzle... more
          • Guinn only quotes this much of the Flood interview notes with Wyatt; "...arrested Ben Thompson...having taken him from a crowd with his friends." It is stated that Wyatt told Flood this 20 years... more
            • Interview notesGary Roberts, Fri Jul 6 07:14
              Bob and Jeff, I would suspect that Flood and Earp talked about Wyatt's past long before they ever decided to enter into a collaboration to write a book. That would account for the twenty year... more
              • Re: Interview notesRoger Jay, Mon Jul 9 05:52
                Wyatt gave an "Epitaph" interview affirming he was in SE Kansas, late spring 1873. In September of that year, James Earp claimed to have been in Ellsworth during the Texan troubles. It's possible... more
                • Wyatt and Katebfrey, Mon Jul 9 07:21
                  What if any is the relationship between Wyatt and Kate? Was Kate one of Wyatt's working girls or something else. What is the cause of Kate's hatred over the Earps, was it linked back to the old days... more
                • Also agree with GaryK.t.K., Mon Jul 9 07:20
                  Informed speculation says it was boom town veteran James Earp who convinced his brothers the best action would be hitting the Kansas cattle towns. Working boom camps began for Jim in ‘64 - major... more
                  • Kenny, I know this is a blast from Charles F. Price, Tue Sep 11 04:51
                    the past but I've been fascinated by your post back in July about the whereabouts of the Earp brothers, especially James, in the late '60's and early 70's. I was curious about your sources. Can you... more
                  • Re: Also agree with GaryBob Cash, Mon Jul 9 07:57
                    Okay, Kenny, I'll bite. Who was J. Elder?
                    • Ask Gary (nm)K.t.K., Mon Jul 9 08:33
                      • Who was J. Elder?
                        • J. S. ElderGary Roberts, Mon Jul 9 12:11
                          was a Great Bend, Kansas, saloonkeeper. He's on hand long enough to give Kate a new name, and the next thing we know, she's taken off to Dodge City with Tom Sherman, another Great Bend sport. I... more
                          • Re: J. S. ElderBob Cash, Mon Jul 9 13:11
                            Thanks, Gary. No, I haven't seen that article by the not late but sadly lamented Roger Myers. I assume that you cover this in your book, which I did not have available because it is at this moment... more
                            • ActuallyGary Roberts, Tue Jul 10 04:58
                              I'm sorry to say that this information came to light AFTER Doc was published. I wish I had had it, because it ties up some important loose ends as well as raising new questions. Best!
                            • The ArticleK.t.K., Mon Jul 9 14:10
                              "Between Wichita and Dodge: The Travels and Friends of Kate Elder" by Roger Myers, NOLA Quarterly - April-June 2007. Bob, I cannot believe you don't have this - of all people - Roger Myers' best pal! ... more
              • Wyatt was a liar and you know it. (nm) — Butch Badon, Sat Jul 7 12:56
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