B.J.'s Tombstone History Discussion Form - Except that the Jodil gang hadn't committed any Tucson crime

TTR: October 30, 2013

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although, and this has not appeared in any Dillinger book I am aware of, Charles Mackley did intend to start a nudist colony in the Oro Valley. Plans cut short by the arrest.

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Notorious Tucson Crimes — Paul Cool, Tue Jul 10 06:40

One hundred thirty years after blood spilled on the tracks, the execution murder of Frank Stilwell still stands out as one of Tucson's most colorful and widely reported crimes. But the city,... more
- Massacre of fifteen Tucsonans — Lynn Bailey, Wed Jul 11 06:08
  
  At the top of list should be the May 10, 1848, massacre of fifteen Tucsonans by Apaches at Mescal Springs in the Whetstone Mountains. Their deaths had a severe affect on the town’s economic condition ... more
- - Evidence of Tucson's enhanced sanguinositude mounts (nm) — Paul Cool, Wed Jul 11 06:55
- Tucson PD capturing the whole Dillinger gang? — bfrey, Tue Jul 10 15:52
  
  That has to rank up there? Pierpont one of the most dangerous men in the gang stated about the Tucson cops, "these fellows pull pretty fast here, not like the midwest guys". Old style western law... more
- - Except that the Jodil gang hadn't committed any Tucson crime — Paul Cool, Tue Jul 10 16:54
  - - interstate flight — bfrey, Tue Jul 10 20:17
      
      To avoid prosecution and the most wanted gang in the nation, your right they were just visiting the old pueblo for its great enchiladas...... and Mackley and Van Meter were going to open a flower... more
    - - Actually, I am serious about Mackley's — Paul Cool, Wed Jul 11 01:50
        
        intent to buy land to start up a dude ranch and nudist colony. He wanted 8 sections of land, I think it was. The other party had 3 and intended to offer leases on 5 sections of federal land. The... more
      - Postscript: Most wanted gang in the nation — Paul Cool, Wed Jul 11 04:25
        
        Most definitely, without a doubt, fer sure. But although they had by then committed a federal crime in taking a stolen vehicle across state lines, the big extradition battle was over which State... more
        FBI — bfrey, Wed Jul 11 07:25
        
        Yeah they crossed state lines with a stolen vehicle and that gave Hoover and the boys the green light to get involved and hound them down. Innocent until Interrogated is a great title, seen quite a... more
- Frank Stilwell a "murder" and/or a "crime" ? — B.J., Tue Jul 10 08:28
  
  Wyatt Earp was just following legal advice offered from a Judge who observed that none of the outlaws would ever be convicted of Morgan Earp's cowardly assassination nor of Virgil Earp's ambush.
- - Stillwell... — Jim Richards, Tue Jul 10 20:22
    
    ...I agree...again, Earp would have won in court.
  - - Dunno — Peter Love, Wed Jul 11 03:01
      
      Jim Justifiable homicide? Self-Defence? They were supposed to be lawmen themselves, and could have "seen Paul" then and there. Instead they spurned him, and took off after covering their tracks. Then ... more
    - - Stilwell "viciously" shot, many times (but not in the back) — B.J., Wed Jul 11 07:35
        
        ....so Morgan's death was less vicious?
  - While the judge was a lawyer... — Paul Cool, Tue Jul 10 09:15
    
    I don't think you could call it "legal advice." I don't think any billable hours were involved. It was a word to the wise, a "get real, Wyatt" moment. Wyatt may well have been acquitted by a... more
  - - I'm not sure — Gary Roberts, Wed Jul 11 04:55
      
      that Wyatt or Doc would have been acquitted in Pima County. The Tucson STAR had begun a major rewrite of the Earp-Cowboy controversies by the time Morgan was assassinated even contradicting its own... more
    - Two more Tucson scandals - 1882 & 1891 — K.t.K., Tue Jul 10 15:29
      
      My vote to include: 1. The shocking 1882 assassination of alcoholic gambler James H. Leavy. 2. Sept. 24, 1891 murder of Dr. John C. Handy (after a vicious divorce battle) shot by by Mrs. Handy’s... more
    - - I think Eric Wright will be talking about Leavy at... — Paul Cool, Tue Jul 10 16:55
        
        WWHA in Prescott!
      - That's beside the point. — K.t.K., Tue Jul 10 17:33
        
        Will you allow my entries in the top ten? Or do I take my scandalous marbles and go? Kenny
        I will allow anything. And your marbles are scandalous? — Paul Cool, Wed Jul 11 01:52
        
        I'm trying to picture scandalous marble behavior.
        marbles — K.t.K., Sat Jul 14 07:05
        
        The truth be known: I was told succinctly (not by a friend)that I never had all my 'marbles' to begin with. Must be how I ended up in Earpiana(?). Kenny
        Re: That's beside the point. — Laarry, Tue Jul 10 17:48
        
        The Hardy affair was not a murder or a crime.
        You're right, Laarry; justifiable homicide (nm) — K.t.K., Wed Jul 11 04:03

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