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Disected by Gary L. Roberts:
Mon Jun 26, 2017 09:36

Interesting you bring this up, BFrey. Early this year I was compelled to tear into a specific portion this account by Allie, knowing full well from collateral research that there HAD TO BE much more to the real story about Omaha and Council Bluffs.
This endeavor led me to stunning new finds pertaining to Virgil (and Allie's) involvement in the various vice trades, his numerous arrests which were posted on this board(at least two for Allie), not to mention his intimate involvement with the great bunko artist Doc Baggs and gang. It doesn't get much closer than "capper" and personal bodyguard.

The key was in establishing a correct chronology to fit the vague one given by Allie. Then the whole thing opened up to provide names for her two madams - Hester Baldwin in Omaha and "French Moll" in Council Bluffs, whose establishment was attached to Planter's House - aka Drovers House.


  • Tombstone travesty?bfrey, Mon Jun 26 07:18
    Just read the Tombstone travesty book based on Allie Earp's recollections? Is this book accurate to some degree or is it dismissed? She claims that Stillwell put a shot through the train window etc.. ... more
    • Disected by Gary L. Roberts: — K.t.K., Mon Jun 26 09:36
      • Kenny - quick question - if I may?Peter Brand, Tue Jun 27 21:09
        What makes you think that Allie Earp was working for Mary Shrope in Council Bluffs? Thanks and Cheers PB
      • thanks for the article..bfrey, Mon Jun 26 10:46
        Great read, thanks. I found it interesting that she claimed Wyatt had tons of informants in Tombstone. One in which he admits to in trying to get Ike to give info on the stage robbers. If Wyatt had... more
        • Condolences.Bob Paul, Tue Jun 27 08:49
          Anonymous: Shared regrets. It's tough to be "stymied".
          • Re: Condolences.K.t.K., Tue Jun 27 11:29
            Can't remember your opinion on trusting the Earps. Do you think Bob Paul was safe with them 24/7? k
            • Anonymous, opinions.Bob Paul, Thu Jun 29 10:02
              Thanks (anonymous) for the acknowledgement. I must confess that anonymous opinionated posts do not strike me as credible, especially when there is involvement of the behavior, ethics, and/or... more
        • Suspicious too, is that Doc's alibi...K.t.K., Tue Jun 27 07:23
          ...was supplied by Wyatt, which was contradicted by others. Keeping in mind that the proximity from the Feb. 25 holdup to Billy Leonard's house was three miles or less. k
        • Paul switchbfrey, Tue Jun 27 06:38
          Several sources allude to the fact that the other driver was sick that night and needed a break. The robbers had more numbers and could of chased that stage and stopped it. They did not appear to... more
          • implication of involvement. But getting witnesses to go away or drop charges was a standard routine in those days. And Tombstone was a prime example of it. In the skill set of every Earp... more
            • ButTom Gaumer, Fri Jul 14 10:25
              Didn't the prosecutor Lyttleton Price say in the newspaper he had talked with the Witnesses about Doc's involvement in the stage attack and found them not credible at all. Did he not then refuse to... more
              • Avoid the possibility of criminal charges?K.t.K., Fri Jul 14 17:30
                Since when did any Earp (or a Doc Holliday for that matter) show any undue concern about facing criminal charges in any State or Territory? According to my latest count the Earp brothers accumulated... more
                • You should put up the 46 arrests before the listTom Gaumer, Fri Jul 21 23:48
                  KTK gets so long no one can handle it:-) Wyatt's story that the businessmen bought out Sippy is still the wiser way to go if moving him out required any effort at all. Both newspapers still agreed... more
                  • Evidently you have never researchedK.t.K., Sun Jul 23 13:24
                    ...the lives of James, Morgan and Warren Earp, who are all documented for intimidation, threats and/or terrorizing of either men, women, or both, in many different places across the frontier -... more
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