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Bob Paul
What does Wells Fargo say??
Thu Jul 20, 2017 16:31
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IIRC, Bob Chandler, Wells Fargo archivist, covered this issue in his 2009 article.

  • Fred DodgeIllinois Kid, Thu Jul 20 12:26
    I am curious why some writers conclude that because there is no Wells Fargo record of Fred Dodge in the employment of that company, he could not have worked undercover as a Wells Fargo secret agent?... more
    • What does Wells Fargo say?? — Bob Paul, Thu Jul 20 16:31
      • Fred DodgeJohn Boessenecker, Fri Jul 21 17:18
        Dodge is a very unreliable source. That is a shame because he had a great career from 1890 to 1918 as a Wells Fargo detective and then as a detective for its successor, American Railway Express,... more
        • Dodge: An interesting pointRandie O'Neal, Sat Jul 29 21:56
          This makes one wonder: who were the WF sources in the area at the time? Supposedly JB Ayers in Charleston was one, apart from the Tombstone WF agent, were there others? And how were they compensated?
          • Fred DodgeJohn Boessenecker, Sun Jul 30 11:06
            Police informants were (and are) used to infiltrate criminal gangs, not towns or cities. Dodge's claim that he was sent as an undercover man to infiltrate the town of Tombstone is nonsensical. Wells... more
            • Fred Dodge & Wells FargoPeter Brand, Mon Jul 31 21:46
              Hi John What’s your view of Dodge’s claim in 1900 that he had worked for Wells Fargo for 20 years? When doing research in the Texas Ranger records, I found an application Dodge had made in 1900 for... more
              • Fred Dodge special rangerJohn Boessenecker, Mon Jul 31 22:57
                Peter -- I have a copy of that special ranger application that you dug up which is a great find. In 1900, Dodge had worked for Wells Fargo for ten years, not twenty. I think he is counting back to... more
                • Posse dutyPeter Brand, Tue Aug 1 16:53
                  Thanks for your insights John. It begs the question why Fred Dodge would be riding in the posse in the first place though - kinda kills his position as an "under cover man" to be seen riding with the ... more
                  • Fred Dodge and Posse dutyJohn Boessenecker, Tue Aug 1 17:12
                    That is exactly right. Undercover agents associate with criminals, not lawmen. If he really was under cover, this would have blown his cover. Also, if Dodge was already on Wells Fargo's payroll, why... more
            • Re: Fred DodgeBob Cash, Mon Jul 31 09:15
              John, if my memory serves me correctly, Allie Earp, in the the original Frank Waters manuscript (not his largely fabricated EARP BROTHERS OF TOMBSTONE), is quoted as saying that the brothers were... more
              • Fred Dodge and Frank WatersJohn Boessenecker, Mon Jul 31 10:50
                I generally take old-timer's recollections with a grain of salt. Here, given that Waters fictionalized, even invented, Allie's recollections in his 1961 book, that raises the question of how accurate ... more
                • Thank you, John, for your response.Bob Cash, Mon Jul 31 20:48
                  Your point is well taken. I have been told that there is other contemporary (pre-1890) sources that point to Dodge's employment by Wells Fargo. I hope that the one who told me this will share it in... more
                  • Fred Dodge and Wells FargoJohn Boessenecker, Tue Aug 1 12:03
                    I think the main pre 1890 source is the Wells Fargo cash book entry which shows the payment to Fred Dodge for posse duty in 1881. I went into this in my reply to Peter Brand's post above.
              • This is from Allie's Story: Mrs. Virgil Earp and The "Tombstone Travesty" by Gary L. Roberts: "At one point in his narrative, Waters takes a backhanded slap at Lake for suggesting that Wells Fargo... more
                • Bob, as an indefatigable researchers I can attest to the nonsense of a Boessenecker ego-maniac when he dismisses old-timer's recollections with a grain of salt, and then claims that "Waters... more
                  • Kenny, while I think you make some valid points here, your over the top name calling of a respected researcher author like Bossenecker gets in their way. I think different researchers have different... more
                  • Fred DodgeJohn Boessenecker, Mon Jul 31 22:25
                    Whoa, Nellie. That's a real mouthful. Does someone have some Xanax for K.T.K.???
        • obviously another Earp informant? (nm)bfrey, Sun Jul 23 13:10
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