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Re: Allie's story of the "Wells Fargo secret detective"
Tue Aug 1, 2017 09:33
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Kenny, while I think you make some valid points here, your over the top name calling of a respected researcher author like Bossenecker gets in their way. I think different researchers have different approaches to old timer's stories. Bossenecker's approach, at least as reflected in this thread, does not appear too different from that of one of your and my favorite researchers, Steve Gatto. Now, that doesn't mean that Gatto or Bossenecker dismiss these accounts out of hand (and this is borne out by their superbly researched books), but it seem as if there is not iron clad primary sources to verify old timer's recollections their default position is to doubt the speaker's memory or motivation. I don't believe this makes either of them an "ego-maniac".

As to Bossenecker's statement "I generally take old timer's recollections with a grain of salt", I think that can legitimately be described as overly dogmatic or one sided but there is no reason to personalize what had been an informative discussion by insulting him. He doesn't say "I ALWAYS discount old timer's recollections" and his books pr I think it is very clear that most of the quotes from Allie Earp in the original manuscript originated from her. Your research based on some of her statements have pretty much verified that position. However, based on my own research, I have real problems with Allie's supposed statements concerning the Wells Fargo secret agent who supposedly visited. Virgil.

Part of her supposed narrative sounds like something from a nineteenth century romantic novel. She says that a stage was stopped after shots were fired and that a young lady was wounded. A gallant stage robber, who minutes before was apparently unconcerned with the possibility of killing passengers, takes off his mask or kerchief while tending to her wound on the promise that she would not identify him if she later sees him. The Well Fargo secret agent then courts her with a promise of marriage if she would just identify the robber, which, because of her loyalty to one of those responsible for wounding her in the first place, she refuses. I don't have the book in front of me, but I believe that his the gist of the story.

I don't know if that part of the story had a part in making Bossenecker view it skeptically, but it does me. Several times I have taken most of a day looking for anything on line or in any of my books that say anything about a female passenger being wounded in any successful attempt to stop a stage. I have found nothing in newspapers or other recollections (including Fred Dodge's), and my tendency is now to think that SOMEBODY was lying about that story, either Allie, whose beloved husband faced death by gunfire, thirst or hunger chasing stage robbers, or Waters, who never passed up a chance to make enemies of the Earps to appear gallant even if a large part of his narrative promoted the view that the "cowboy threat" was nonexistent and that most of the robberies were done by the Earps themselves.

Kenny, find me a reference to a woman being wounded in a stage robbery near Tombstone, and you will go a lot farther in refuting Bossenecker's position, than in throwing insults around.

  • Bob, as an indefatigable researchers I can attest to the nonsense of a Boessenecker ego-maniac when he dismisses old-timer's recollections with a grain of salt, and then claims that "Waters... more
    • Re: Allie's story of the "Wells Fargo secret detective" — Anonymous, Tue Aug 1 09:33
    • Fred DodgeJohn Boessenecker, Mon Jul 31 22:25
      Whoa, Nellie. That's a real mouthful. Does someone have some Xanax for K.T.K.???
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