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Bob cash
Re: Honest Fred Dodge??
Sat Aug 5, 2017 13:21

That's an excellent surmise as to why Dodge might have wanted to appear as an undercover man for WF to his wife and son rather than a gambler. I find the same kind of thing in my research on Texas cattlemen and cowboys who made it up the trail to the Kansas cowtowns. By the time they put pen to paper in the '20's and 30's many were ranchers, bankers, businessmen, elected officials, church deacons and Sunday school teachers. They recall the hardships of the trail drives but with few exceptions seem to have forgotten the hurrahing, drinking, whoring, and fighting that any Texas man may have participated in at trail's end.

Legendary cattleman Mark Withers, who was almost certainly on the Plaza in Ellsworth the day Texan Billy Thompson accidentally shot Sheriff Whitney and brother Ben held off the whole town, leaves no recollections of that, but describes in great detail the shooting a few weeks later of a former-Ellsworth lawman by a current one.

The one example I found of a Texas cattleman explaining his mix up with Kansas law is in the link below in which Alf Walker's granddaughter relates the family story of how her unoffending grandpa was shot by Bat Masterson for no good reason. I believe Chris Penn had previously found the same family story as related by Walker's son.

No mention is made of the fact, reported by both Dodge City papers, that Walker had returned drunken Jack Wagner's pistol to him after Marshal Ed Masterson had relieved him of it and given it to Walker to check it at the bar and that Walker had drawn his own pistol on Ed's deputy, Nat Haywood, while Wagner shot and killed Ed. It was at this point that Bat opened fire,killing Wagner and wounding Walker (but not if you believe Walkers's version to his family in the link below)

  • Honest Fred Dodge??John Boessenecker, Fri Aug 4 22:37
    There is no question that Dodge was a well known figure in Tombstone and friend of the Earp boys, etc. But by the time writers started contacting him in the 1920s he had a young son from his second... more
    • Interesting conceptCasey Tefertiller, Tue Aug 8 11:19
      John, Interesting concept. So, the theory is that Dodge was trying to cover up his entirely legal activities by telling a big whopper to Wyatt Earp, John Clum and Stuart Lake? That would not be good... more
      • Fred Dodge in TombstoneJohn Boessenecker, Tue Aug 8 21:05
        Fred Dodge was clearly in Tombstone as a gambler and was a friend of the Earps and lived through all those exciting events. There is no doubt about that. I just find it totally unbelievable that he... more
        • undercoverbfrey, Thu Aug 10 08:24
          The police use undercover people all the time, they are paid by the department for their info, so technically they could say they are employed by a specific agency. I think when Dodge began doing... more
        • The WF station is a comin', comin' Casey Tefertiller, Wed Aug 9 17:53
          John, Not sure why it would matter that the WF office had not yet opened. Wouldn’t you think that WF would want eyes in Cochise County before they would establish their office? That way they would... more
          • Wells FargoJohn Boessenecker, Wed Aug 9 18:23
            But there were way more stage robberies in California's Mother Lode country in 1879-1882 than ever took place in Southern Arizona during those years. And no one ever suggested that Wells Fargo... more
            • Thinking like ValentineCasey Tefertiller, Wed Aug 9 20:38
              John, WF had “friends” and friendly law officers throughout the Motherlode. I read in this great book that Bob Paul was involved with WF long before his move to Arizona. By 1880, WF knew the area,... more
              • Wells FargoJohn Boessenecker, Wed Aug 9 20:59
                I agree that Wells Fargo was way more established in California than in Southern Arizona, and the company surely realized how important a mining center Tombstone was becoming in 1879, but it still... more
                • Reading Valentine's mindCasey Tefertiller, Thu Aug 10 10:30
                  John, That is the key point. How can we read Valentine’s mind? How can we know what he was thinking? Because something is usually done in one certain way does not mean it is always done in that way.... more
    • Re: Honest Fred Dodge?? — Bob cash, Sat Aug 5 13:21
      • Re: Honest Fred Dodge??Bob Cash, Sat Aug 5 13:32
        On further reflection, while I believe John Bossenecker's supposition that Fred Dodge, in the 1920's may have wanted his new wife and their son to believe he was a secreyt agent for WF in Tombstone... more
        • Fred Dodge Ranger applicationJohn Boessenecker, Sat Aug 5 14:06
          In Fred Dodge's Special Ranger application dated 1900, he states his experience as "20 years, Special Officer Wells Fargo & Co." This is technically true because of his posse duty for Wells Fargo in... more
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