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Tue Aug 15, 2017 12:13

Your right Joyce I guess we have no confirmed statements as to his being under the influence. Ike was in the Alhambra saloon around midnight when the confrontation took place, he than attended an all night poker game at the Occidental. He than is seen by Oriental bar keep, E.F. Boyle and by R.F. Hafford of Haffords saloon. So that's quite a tour of bars.

Wyatt states that Ike followed him in the Oriental and took a drink.

How does Ike manage to be in a bar, at midnight the previous evening, and than play poker all night, and continue to make the rounds of bars the next morning? I would be of the opinion that some type of substance would prompt this behavior as he becomes more boisterous and threatening. His behavior became more reckless as he was openly carrying weapons and threatening law officers. Is this behavior in line with a sober individual? There must be other statements mentioning his drinking...

  • Bruce/interesting...Joyce, Tue Aug 15 08:33
    This is always interesting to me because of the amazing store of adjectives that come out of some writers' keyboards. All we really need, though we have little information on some of these guys, is... more
    • Hi Joyce...B.J., Tue Aug 15 14:17
      We came by the visitor center to say hi. The guy behind the counter said that you would return at 1:00 PM. I checked the time and it was already 2:20 pm. I hope that all is well for you? Sorry we... more
      • Re: Hi Joyce...Joyce, Tue Aug 15 16:43
        Hi B. J., I am so sorry I missed you. I work only in the mornings till 1:00 p.m. so I don't know who was in there but he didn't seem to know my schedule. I do not work week-ends. I guess you forgot... more
    • drinking... — bfrey, Tue Aug 15 12:13
      • Bruce/drinking...Joyce, Tue Aug 15 17:43
        Bruce, Hollywood has programmed us (me, for years ) to see these guys belly up to the bar and slug down rot-gut whiskey. When Ike was at the Oriental with Wyatt, he said "...while the bartender was... more
        • Anonymous/cowardly?Joyce, Wed Aug 16 05:45
          I hope you are going to describe for us exactly how you would handle the situation when gunfire started and you had no weapon. What is your next move, please. I assume you have a plan to save... more
          • anonymous...Joyce, Thu Aug 17 16:22
            I was a little confused about your section on ambushes. Are you saying Ike Clanton was the person involved in each of these? I think there are not clear facts on any of those. It was never determined ... more
            • Re: anonymous...Bob Cash, Sun Aug 20 08:39
              Joyce, you wrote : "It was never determined who shot Morgan through the back window of Campbell & Hatch's saloon. Are you absolutely sure it could not have been vigilantes? The Earps were not all... more
              • Bob/Vigilantes?...Joyce, Sun Aug 20 13:22
                Bob, Apparently the Coroner's jury did not come to anything but suspicion as the case went no further. Why were these men not arrested immediately and jailed? Their involvement was suspected but if... more
                • Anonymous./interesting...Joyce, Mon Aug 21 09:43
                  I understand that Marietta Spence might not be able to testify against her husband, but what about the others? She included them in her original statement, did she not? The other two in jail on other ... more
                  • IkeFred Dodge, Thu Aug 24 16:00
                    I've said it before and will state it again. Ike was a loud mouth and when his father died he took over the ranch and its operations. He was a two-bit rustler who was in over his head as any type of... more
            • JoyceEddie Lanham, Fri Aug 18 04:28
              Is your email posted on line? I have something to send you.
              • Eddie/contact...Joyce, Fri Aug 18 07:22
                Eddie, You can reach me at Thank you
          • Anonymous/once again...Joyce, Thu Aug 17 07:46
            Anonymous, I am sorry my sense of humour is regarded as condescending, but I admit computers don't have eyebrows, so it happens. To address your responses, civilly, of course, I have to ask as I do... more
          • anon/correction...Joyce, Wed Aug 16 08:17
            My last line didn't make any sense because my computer is doing funny things like skipping letters and words. It should read, " Now that you are back from the past by time machine, apparently you... more
      • Re: drinking...Bob Cash, Tue Aug 15 14:29
        Damn, Bruce, as many times as I've argued this issue with Joyce, I never noticed Wyatt saying Ike took a drink in the Oriental. Over all, I think yours is the best (and shortest) post I have seen on... more
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