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Gary Roberts
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Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:13
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The Hayhurst ms is confusing because witnesses are not presented in the correct chronological order. In preparing a correct chronological sequence the newspapers are essential. Jeff Morey prepared the chronology I relied upon, and the testimony as well as the temper of the hearing made a lot more sense. I don't know for sure, but it is possible that the original documents were actually not a single transcript but a bundle of individual witness transcripts. This would explain Hayhurst's confusion.

Best! Gary

  • Can someone explain this Spicer Hearing testimony to me and how the lawyers could be so bad and author Turner so confused? "W.S. Williams On this second day of November, 1881, on the hearing of the... more
    • Quickly — Gary Roberts, Wed Aug 30 12:13
      • Quickly alsoTom Gaumer, Wed Aug 30 19:02
        Howdy Gary Think of the contribution Jeff Morey could have made by making the chronology you mentioned public with assorted information we would have all longed to see, especially from him! Think of... more
        • You might want to check . . . Gary Roberts, Thu Aug 31 14:27
          the archive on Texas Jack's board. In February 2010, Butch Badon and I had a lengthy discussion there of the Hayhurst and comparisons to the various versions of the Spicer from Turner, the EPITAPH,... more
          • Will do. When do you think one Tom Gaumer, Fri Sep 1 02:10
            Gary of the people who have the available copies of the Nuggets and Epitaphs will allow them to be copied and placed in BJ's history archives or printed up and distributed to anyone who wants them?... more
            • discrepanciespaul j, Fri Sep 1 09:05
              Tom and all - If you go about typing up what exists of the Hayhurst ms (it is already a typescript, isn't it?)- then type up all the Epitaph reporting of the testimony, and follow with the Nugget... more
              • Howdy PaulTom Gaumer, Fri Sep 1 19:04
                I think the Hayhurst exists, perhaps at ASU in Tempe. There is another book length manuscript by Hayhurst there only indirectly related. I think anything can be done online if you know the magic. I... more
              • If I may stick my nose in here...Ben Harleman, Fri Sep 1 12:54
                I don't know about an online program, but MS Office can handle it. I've already taken most all of the documents from here and transcribed them into a digital book format for me to use on my tablet... more
                • Please stick your nose in. All help appreciatedTom Gaumer, Fri Sep 1 19:11
                  Howdy Ben It sounds to me like your four columns with the summary notes would be great for any of us with an interest in this. What part of the country do you live in? Are you planning to attend TTR... more
                  • Howdy TomBen Harleman, Fri Sep 1 20:45
                    Hi Tom, unfortunately I just moved back to Seattle from Phoenix (Goodyear, to be specific) the first of August. However, I was talking to my wife about going back down in possibly October or November ... more
    • timingAnonymous, Wed Aug 30 04:32
      If the shooting occurred at 3:00, sunset would have been around 5:30, lets give evening or end of the day to start around 4:30 I don't see a problem with the sequence described as "a few moments... more
      • A third centAnonymous, Mon Sep 4 18:01
        If the shooting is established at being 3:00 PM then the term in question is of no great importance. It's a slip of tongue. It's not an uncommon error to insert the wrong time of day.
      • The Prosecution apparetly agrees with youTom Gaumer, Wed Aug 30 18:38
        but I think Mr. Williams would have been jumped on hard by good lawyers attempting to protect their case. Willliams, had he been faced with good lawyers which I don't think he was, would have had a... more
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