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Joyce...
bfrey/Frank's actions...
Mon Mar 12, 2018 15:18
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Hello Bruce,

I know a lot of shoot-out fans trust the claim by Wyatt that Frank, after Virgil ordered the ranchers to put up their hands, appeared to reach for his gun and said, "we will." Not one witness described Frank as anything but standing still with his horse and even Wyatt contradicted himself by also saying when he and his bunch came up to the cowboys, they were standing with their hands down by their sides.

I have never believed Wyatt's claim. It was just too convenient. Because Frank was the first one shot, it was desirable to make it appear he brought it on himself whether deliberately or by accident. Wyatt's testimony contains a lot of thoughts along this line.

You brought up Frank's refusal to give up his gun until the Earps gave up theirs. Consider that Frank had no reason at this point to know that a posse representing the law was what he was dealing with. When his brother was attacked for no known reason, Frank's reaction was not hot-headed as many think. He was concerned but calm and went looking to get his brother out of harm's way.

When he was at the gun shop collecting Ike and reloading fuel, not for a gunfight but for the return home through Apache territory, Wyatt approached and took the horse off the doorway and Frank came out and secured the animal. Note by Wyatt's own testimony there was no angry exchange at all. Wyatt claims he was deputized at that time but I don't believe it. When he beat Tom he was not deputized and should have been arrested. When at the gun shop he said nothing to the men about their plans in town, their guns, or anything else. He claimed Billy Clanton put his hand on his gun, which would be threatening an officer. No response from the big boy! Why didn't he arrest Billy?

My point is that Frank was not seeing official police duty out of Wyatt and when Frank said he wanted the police disarmed, so to speak, he used the singular expression, referring to Wyatt. He did not realize at that time that Virgil was down on Fourth and Allen getting his "posse" together. He would not have known until they actually came up to the lot with guns in hand. Remember that even Behan said he did not consider the Earp group official at that time. So Frank was not putting himself on equal footing. All but Morgan were instantly recruited so would not have been wearing badges.

You mention Addie Bourland not seeing hands go up. Consider what she did see. She did not see Tom put his hands up because he was holding his vest open with both hands, likely about the height of his waist. She did not see Billy's hands up because they were out in front of him, likely between his chest and waist. She did not see Frank's hands up because one was on the bridle of his horse; the other I believe was up but you could argue on that one. Ike may have been out of her view as he was near the front of Fly's and the Earps might have blocked her view.

However, Addie Bourland also DID NOT see Virgil's hands, both of them, in the air either. If no other hands appeared to be up then Virgil's should have stood out pretty noticeable with his dark sleeves.

Just some thoughts.

Regards,
Joyce

    • good pointsbfrey, Mon Mar 26 10:29
      Thanks Joyce, how do we know that Frank was loading up on ammo to return through Apache country, is that being surmised or do we know for a fact the reason they were all reloading. That being said,... more
      • bfrey/supposition...Joyce..., Mon Mar 26 13:56
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        • very refreshingbfrey, Tue Mar 27 08:53
          Thanks again, Its not often that I take a change of mind in this matter but your points are well taken and I always thought the Earp's defense was handcrafted by their lawyers. Your point that those... more
          • bfrey/Ike's behaviorJoyce..., Tue Mar 27 14:54
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            • Ike respondingbfrey, Tue Mar 27 17:27
              He may have been responding but I dont think you can oversee the point that the marshal was duly authorized to enforce the law. It seemed at some point Virgil was not much interested in Ike's threats ... more
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                • Jim MorrisBob Paul, Wed Mar 28 12:02
                  Joyce: A few years back, I spent a little time with Jim Morris (based on your description, couldn't remember his name) and found him to be a nice guy with an interesting personal history. We took a... more
                  • Bob/mutual acquaintences?...Joyce..., Wed Mar 28 12:24
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    • excellent points Joyce...bfrey, Sun Mar 25 10:53
      I also need to look at this and ponder the points, well done.
    • There's a problem.Jerry Prather, Mon Mar 12 16:39
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      • Jerry/really a problem...Joyce..., Mon Mar 12 17:44
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        • Re: Jerry/really a problem...Bob Cash, Tue Mar 13 09:28
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          • Bob/forgetting...Joyce..., Tue Mar 13 15:16
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              • Oh, my goodness, Jerry!K.t.K., Tue Mar 13 16:19
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                  • kennybfrey, Tue Apr 10 07:24
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