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Pat/further examination...
Sun Aug 26, 2018 17:40
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Pat,
Disagreement is what keeps this board going. If we all agreed, what would be left to examine? However, opposing viewpoints should never bring about animosity, I am sure you agree, and sometimes someone hits on a new perspective and it gets interesting all over again.

As far as the diagram's accuracy goes, what objection would either side object to? The Prosecution were totally asleep through most of the Hearing, embarrassingly so; the Defense was not going to question it as they were relieved the Prosecution was so ineffective. Neither side questioned anything to any great depth.

I cannot recall any of the posse entering the lot except maybe Wyatt as he got into the wrestling match with Ike near the corner of the overhang.

Behan SAYS he went straight ahead on the boardwalk and turned to the left at the corner of the boardinghouse then stepped into the lot. I did assume that he went across toward Claibourne. If you google the Fly's studio picture went it went up in flames and look very carefully at the back of it you will see the building was not veryt deep. Claibourne and Behan would not have been very far into the lot and close to the back door or stoop they pushed into. Behan's vantage point should have been quite good. He was not on Fremont according to his testimony.

On page 138 of Turner at the bottom of the page you will see Behan did not say the first shot came from THE SECOND MAN ON HIS RIGHT. He actually said it was the second man FROM the right, and then the third man from THE RIGHT fired the second shot. Neither could be on Behan's right as he was not near them.

Frank was described by two witnesses drawing his pistol AFTER he was shot and moving out into the street. He did not attempt to draw when Doc approached him and provoked him by jabbing him in the stomach with his pistol,.

Regards,
Joyce

  • Behan testimony / JoycePat Mulligan, Sun Aug 26 04:43
    Since Behan,the Prosecutors nor Defense raised any objections to the diagram they must have believed it was accurate. So I will stay with what was presented, with one exception. I think Virgil... more
    • Pat/further examination... — Joyce..., Sun Aug 26 17:40
      • Behan testimony / JoycePat Mulligan, Mon Aug 27 05:01
        Joyce The right would have to reference from Behan's point of view.So since we both agree that it was the second from right, that would would eliminate Holliday as firing the first shot, since he was ... more
        • Way out observation.Bob Paul, Mon Aug 27 09:41
          Nice exchange, folks. Just a waaaay out observation/perspective on "diagrams" and "weaponry". How does all this fit with the diagram by Wyatt/Flood exposed at the 2004 Gilchriese collection auction... more
          • Bob/good point...Jouce..., Mon Aug 27 10:11
            That is why I pay little attention to the diagrams. They all seem to be flawed to some degree. I would rather go inch by inch over the testimony of people who were there at the time. Sometime a... more
        • Behan TestimonySteve Gatto, Mon Aug 27 09:41
          Pat, There are at least two reasons why John Behan’s testimony does not support Wyatt’s statement of how the gunfight started. First, Behan testified that the Earp party fired the first two shots of... more
          • Re Steve Gatto Pat Mulligan, Wed Aug 29 05:27
            t being said Behan point of view would have been from his right. Since he was fixed on the NP pistol, if the second shot was fired from Billy C. he may have missed only seeing the second shot from... more
            • Pat/Holliday's position?...Joyce..., Wed Aug 29 06:49
              Why would you think Doc Holliday was always on the end? He never stopped moving. His first move,described by witnesses, was to approach Frank, right away. He jabbed Frank in the belly with his pistol ... more
              • Joyce/Steve Pat Mulligan, Thu Aug 30 05:59
                My copy of the turner Inquest does not have numbers assigned only initials. Since neither side objected to the diagram I would believe they both accepted it as correct.So did Behan as he did not... more
                • Re: Joyce/Steve Steve Gatto, Fri Aug 31 07:03
                  Pat, You must be looking at the 1992 edition of Turner's book rather that the 1981 first edition. The diagrams on pages 100 and 101 of the book you are looking at are inaccurate and reflect Turner's... more
                  • Steve (nm)Pat Mulligan, Mon Sep 3 05:44
                    • StevePat Mulligan, Mon Sep 3 05:55
                      You are correct as to the edition I have. Looking at the diagram posted on page 145 I would think that if you count Virgil as Person 1 (position 8), then 2nd person from Behan's right right would... more
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