Can't think of any with good reputations.
Wed Aug 29, 2018 09:49

Can't find Doheny in Arizona when the Earps were there.

What would your source be for Wyatt being bodyguard to George Hearst? The mining mogul was not connected with Los Angeles, but always headquartered out of San Francisco.
It was the Bank of San Francisco that held major control over the Comstock extravaganza in Nevada. Hearst and a couple of partners shared some interest in the Comstock Lode and the Ophir Mine.

I might mention that Hearst died in 1891. His son, Wm. Randolph Hearst had full control over the S. F. Examiner already by 1883, at age 20. His father George was never interested in it, but bought it for a political reason.

It was in in 1896 that Wyatt was bodyguard to the Examiner editor Andy "Long Green" Laurence, who worked for Hearst. The whole city knew "Long Green" for the total crook that he was in San Francisco. He had early involvement in the conspiracy of the fixed fight with the fixed referee Wyatt Earp.

Speaking of Wyatt's crooked friends coming from Tombstone to L.A., I can think of Tony Kraker (crooked gambler) and John L. Fonck, a policeman in L.A., who did bidding of the crooked Chief of Police T. J. Cuddy. In fact, Chief Cuddy was in cahoots with Virge Earp about running an illegal faro bank in L.A. in '84.

What about "Death Valley Scotty?" Was he prominent?
Wyatt got arrested with him in 1911 at L. A. for setting up a "brace" faro game in a hotel room. A third crook was arrested with them.

  • Los Angeles and Tombstone history tie-inRandy King, Tue Aug 28 13:33
    Guys & gals, I'm doing some research on Los Angeles, and I know that many citizens of Tombstone moved to LA after a time. My question is this: Did Wyatt know any of the men who became prominate in LA ... more
    • The Library BookDaniel Buck, Sun Oct 21 09:09
      OK, this is a bit of a stretch, Susan Orlean's new book The Library Book, which takes us from the great Los Angeles library fire of 1986 to the extraordinary Charles Fletcher Lummis. The question is, ... more
      • The Library BookCarol Campbell Grandmontagne, Mon Oct 22 05:28
        FYI it is available on Audible.com as audiobook. Just downloaded and will be great to listen to while walking, driving, etc...
    • Just rememberedK.t.K., Sat Sep 1 12:26
      I did quite a lot of research for L.A. to cover the years that Louisa lived there with her husband Gustave (plus Pamona and Long Beach). The year they got married (December 1885) was the beginning of ... more
      • Kenny, I am interested, I am working with a Randy King, Wed Oct 24 11:47
        film director on Wyatt living in LA , trying to fill in some details in Wyatts social and business life. Thanks Randy King
      • Thanks Kenny, by the way PamonaRandy King, Thu Sep 13 11:05
        is Pomona, I lived there for many years, attending Gary High School. The old winier fo Gustave is right across from Ontario Airport, just below the 10 freeway. Been by many, many times. I believe it... more
        • Wyatt not in Pomona during the 80sK.t.K., Mon Sep 17 18:16
          He was down in San Diego heavily into sporting, horses, and refereed a couple of boxing matches. But Virgil and Nicholas both were in L.A. in early '86, having to testify in the scandalous divorce... more
    • Raymond ChandlerDaniel Buck, Wed Aug 29 16:00
      Randy, It just so happens that yesterday I started in on The Annotated Big Sleep, a heavily footnoted edition of Raymond Chandler's first novel. Wyatt Earp and Chandler's time in Los Angeles... more
      • I have the book, all 462 pages of itRandy King, Thu Sep 13 11:13
        This is going to take time to uncover any thing in reference to Earp, but if its there I will find it Regards, Randy King
        • Re: I have the book, all 462 pages of itDaniel Buck, Thu Sep 13 11:38
          Randy, I'm done & struck out on the Earp score, but it was informative. I'm now up to speed on 1920s/30s LA corruption. Dan
          • The book will still enlighten me, with my great city. I do thank you. Randy King
            • "Noir in the City of Angels"Daniel Buck, Tue Oct 16 05:22
              Randy, You might like this, Ross MacDonald, "Noir in the City of Angels," a tour of Los Angeles using crime novels as guideposts:... more
              • Playing detectiveJerry Prather, Fri Oct 19 11:51
                Dan, Glad I scrolled down the page to see this Chandler thread had sprung back to life. I never get tired of this stuff. I was a bit startled to see Ross MacDonald's name on the NY Times article! I... more
                • Re: Playing detectiveDaniel Buck, Fri Oct 19 11:59
                  Jerry, I did not catch that, tho at the time I saw the piece I though, hmm, isn't Ross Macdonald dead? I guess the answer is yes and no. Speaking of puzzles, Raymond Chandler would like the board... more
              • Noir in the City if AngelsCarol Campbelll Grandmontagne, Wed Oct 17 05:27
                Actually the house over looking Los Angeles occupied by Harry Bosch is kinda the co-star of the Connelly Series...it’s the eagles nest where Harry looks, ponders and solves a lot of the mysterious... more
              • Thaanks Dan!Randie O'Neal, Tue Oct 16 21:11
                I will check that out.
                • Pretty Cool.Randie O'Neal, Wed Oct 17 04:00
                  I was driving back down to Sierra Vista, one Sunday night from Phoenix and caught on SIRIUS\XM rebroadcast of the 1940s radio version of Dragnet. They mentioned a lot of the old LA location names. To ... more
        • Rady, The Annotated Big Sleep is a cornucopia of esoterica and factoids, the origin of the words gunsel and private dick, a precis of 1920s Los Angeles pornographic lending libraries, and references... more
          • Gonna hafta buy this bookJerry Prather, Thu Aug 30 13:23
            Dan, Over a thousand footnotes! A cornucopia of esoterica and factoids! This definitely appears to be my piece of cake(especially if it's a slice of angel food with a tarantula on top). I'm a fan of... more
            • Re: Gonna hafta buy this bookDaniel Buck, Thu Aug 30 18:36
              Jerry, I think you will enjoy the book. The depth and range of the three editors' knowledge enlivens the annotations, on one page quoting from Carrol John Daly's 1923 Black Mask story "Three Gun... more
          • ChandlerRandy King, Thu Aug 30 09:14
            I am fully award of Chandler and his writings, and realize that not every thing will be factual. That said 1920s is far closer to 1881 then 2018. Many people of that era were still alive including... more
    • Good question . . .Lynn R, Bailey, Wed Aug 29 12:39
      You will find answers in the history of the Hollenbeck Hotel, the patronage of the Hassayampa Club, and the burial roster of the Hollywood Cemetery. Happy hunting, Lynn.
    • Re: Los Angeles and Tombstone history tie-inBob Cash, Wed Aug 29 12:29
      https://books.google.com/books?id=gPcWDAAAQBAJ&pg=PA101&dq=%22Wyatt+Earp%22+%22George+Hearst%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi2neOd_5LdAhUDQawKHZElDzoQ6AEILDAB#v=onepage&q=%22Wyatt%20Earp%22%20%22George%20He... more
      • Hearst had no viable connection with L.A. and absolutely with Wyatt in L.A. And when Hearst was in Tombstone Wyatt was too busy as DUSM to be anybody's bodyguard. It was Wyatt who needed bodyguards.... more
    • Edward DohenyBob Cash, Wed Aug 29 12:25
    • Can't think of any with good reputations. — K.t.K., Wed Aug 29 09:49
      • Re: Can't think of any with good reputations.Bob Cash, Wed Aug 29 12:20
        Kenny, I've tried but been unable to establish whether Wyatt's partner in the 1911 brace game con was Death Valley Scotty. Same name, Walter Scott, but I haven't found anything to indicate it was the ... more
        • Purely circumstancial evidence.K.t.K., Thu Aug 30 01:11
          Bob, what I found is compelling but not proof. Its certainly possible that two confidence men with the same name and in the same vicinity at the same time are NOT the same man. For instance, during... more
          • Dunn. . . ?Robert Buckley, Thu Aug 30 22:47
            The man that was arrested with Earp and Scott was widely reported as being named “Dunn” . The Los Angeles Daily Times , July 25 , Sept 28 , and Oct 18 , 1911 reported that Dunn’s name was actually... more
          • Re: Purely circumstancial evidence.Bob Cash, Thu Aug 30 21:41
            That is a pretty good circumstantial case for Scott being Scotty.
          • are you still there,,ktk,,,,curleybill, Thu Aug 30 21:26
            Kenny,,bro I came across some history,,,,is it true that death valley scotty,,sold the first western hot dags at the ok corral,,curly bill,,,,love bro,,,capn out....I nevvvvahhh got a book....
      • George Hearst connection to Wyatt..randykingco@verizon.net, Wed Aug 29 10:36
        I found the connection back in 2014 when I was doing research on Nevada. Not sure if I kept that information. I have to go over my files, if I find it I will pass it on. Same with Doheny in doing... more
    • L.A. Research.Bob Paul, Tue Aug 28 16:22
      You may want to look at Richard Gird and/or "Bad" Joe Goldwater. Others, including Annie Finley, came to SoCal. You may want to brush up on the Ed Doheny connection.
      • Carl and Albert BilickeJoe Gallagher, Wed Aug 29 10:52
        The Bilickes, father Carl and son Albert, come to mind. Carl built the Cosmopolitan hotel on Allen street. After the 1882 fire destroyed the Cosmopolitan they moved to California eventually settling... more
      • LA Research randy king, Wed Aug 29 10:42
        Thank you so much I will try to find these individuals. The Doheny connection came from some research a few years back. I was not interested other then the Tombstone connection. Soon I must go... more
        • LA Research: Late to this thread.Randie O'Neal, Thu Sep 13 00:59
          Randy, It is a linkage I started to look into recently too. I went through most of the thread, but didn't see John Clum's name. He was significant in local LA circa the 20s and 30s. he made his way... more
          • LA researchRandy King, Thu Sep 13 09:39
            What little I know of Clum outside of Tombstone was that he settled in Rancho Mirage area, had a ranch. I do know he moved to LA, in 1928 and lived there for the last four years of his life. Thank... more
            • Clum/L.A.Bob Paul, Thu Sep 13 19:03
              I would hope Clum's descendant(s) , last I remember living in Santa Monica, might help some.
        • Another far out observation.Bob Paul, Wed Aug 29 11:27
          The Doheny connection is intriguing. Ed's last remaining grandchild passed away in L.A. a few years ago and received good news coverage. There was some influence from Ed and later generations here in ... more
          • Clum's papersRandie L O'Neal, Sat Sep 15 08:32
            Where are John Clum's papers? I thought somewhere back east, right?
          • interesting (nm) (nm)Randy King, Wed Aug 29 13:08
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