Marianne Luban
re: Nap is not Nip
Sun Dec 18, 2011 21:33
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Tory:

"No one on EEF will say Egyptian "nb" becomes Pip or Bip in Akkadian transliteration. And no one will say there are examples of this because there are zero examples. The /n/ is not a labial and will never interchange with labials /p/ or /b/."

Ask anyway--unless you're afraid to. You couldn't be more wrong. A nasal is still interchangeable with a labial.

Marianne:
"The /b/ of "nb" simply elided into the next labial to make "Nimuaria"."

Tory:
"Wrong.

Nib-mureya shows you that the /b/ of "nb" was not elided with the /m/ in "maAtre"."

I don't know every instance of the prenomen. I just told you what could happen in once instance.

Tory:
"Nim-mureya shows you that the /b/ of "nb" was not elided with the /m/ in "maAtre". It was merely interchanged with *an* /m/ to get /Nim/ so that there are now TWO labials /m/ back to back -- NiM-Mureya."

"An? There is no "an". The /b/ becomes an "m" on account of the next syllable, another labial. It happens in Coptic, as well. And SAL.LUGAL just means "queen"--as in "king's wife". You cannot get a queen regnant out of it.
Well, if you just want to blindly cling to your own ideas, nobody can stop you. If the king who had just died as mentioned in the annals of Mursili could not have been Tutankhamun on a linguistic basis, a long line of language experts would never have assumed Dahamunza was Ankhesenamun.

  • Re: Nap is not NipTory, Sun Dec 18 20:51
    I wrote: There is not a single example of the "Nb" element becoming /Ni-ip/ or /Pi-ip/ in Akkadian regardless that /p/ and /b/ are labials. EVERY SINGLE TIME Nebmaare is translitered into Akkadian it ... more
    • re: Nap is not Nip — Marianne Luban, Sun Dec 18 21:33
      • Neb is never Pip, everTory, Mon Dec 19 04:49
        No one on EEF will say Egyptian "nb" becomes Pip or Bip in Akkadian transliteration. And no one will say there are examples of this because there are zero examples. Ask anyway--unless you're afraid... more
        • Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 20:36
          Not anybody who knows anything about linguistics. "n" can be interchangeable with "b" and "p"--easily. What about that king in Manetho's Dynasty II. He is called "Binothris"--but it's actually... more
          • Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 20:48
            Shangrila is a modern reference to Shambhala, a mythical kingdom in Tibetan Buddhist tradition, which was sought by Eastern and Western explorers and inspired a novel by a man named Hilton. Names are ... more
            • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Tory, Mon Dec 19 21:00
              Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO? Says every single foreign ruler who ever addressed a letter to Amenhotep III. That's who. Shangrila is a modern reference to Shambhala, a mythical kingdom in Tibetan ... more
              • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Tue Dec 20 10:11
                Marianne Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO? Tory: "Says every single foreign ruler who ever addressed a letter to Amenhotep III. That's who." Are you trying to say that "Piphurrias" is a reference to... more
                • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Tory, Tue Dec 20 11:14
                  Are you trying to say that "Piphurrias" is a reference to Amenhotep III? I believe I was crystal clear. None of the examples we have for "Nb" in the throne name of Amenhotep III ever become Pip in... more
                  • Re: Neb is never Pip, ever--SAYS WHO?Marianne Luban, Tue Dec 20 12:21
                    Marianne: "Are you trying to say that "Piphurrias" is a reference to Amenhotep III?" Tory: "I believe I was crystal clear. None of the examples we have for "Nb" in the throne name of Amenhotep III... more
        • Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 10:23
          Marianne: "If the king who had just died as mentioned in the annals of Mursili could not have been Tutankhamun on a linguistic basis, a long line of language experts would never have assumed... more
          • Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 15:55
            Marianne, Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". Hahaha. True. There goes every linguistic theory out the window. But its just a... more
          • Re: Nib is PipTory, Mon Dec 19 11:09
            Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian... more
            • Re: Re: Nib is PipKim Sargerson, Tue Dec 20 11:53
              Hi all I actually tried Marianne's suggestion of "start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can." Several times. I never got "Pip". However, perhaps as interestingly, I got (a) saying it... more
              • Re: Re: Nib is PipTory, Wed Dec 21 05:51
                I actually tried Marianne's suggestion of "start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can." Several times. I never got "Pip". I never did either. But give /m/ or "Im" a go. I find it... more
                • Re: Re: Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Wed Dec 21 08:01
                  Hi guys, I actually tried Marianne's suggestion of "start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can." Several times. I never got "Pip". I never did either. But give /m/ or "Im" a go. I find ... more
                  • Re: Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Wed Dec 21 16:17
                    Ian: "You guys are crazy" If I were a man who thought everything in ancient Egypt had to be regulated by the moon, including when people began their reigns--I wouldn't cast stones. The point is--if... more
                    • Re: Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Sun Dec 25 14:08
                      Hi Marianne, Yes, for the ancient Egyptians and even Greeks and Jews, following lunations was of the utmost daily and monthly and yearly religious importance for a correct spiritual connection with... more
            • Re: Nib is PipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 13:49
              Marianne: "Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip"." Tory: "It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any... more
              • Re: Pip is not NbTory, Mon Dec 19 20:45
                Try this: start saying "Nib" over and over again as fast as you can. I guarantee it'll soon turn into "Pip". It's like I said, "nb" only becomes Pip in your imagination not in any attested Akkadian... more
                • Re: Pip is not NbMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 08:35
                  Hi Tory, Just few words for the discussion about Pip/Nip/Nib/Nap which I posted today in another discussion on ANECF concerning the king Nephers˘phris known from the Suidas Byzantine Encyclopaedia.... more
                  • Re: Pip is not NbTory Thorpe, Fri Jun 1 10:34
                    Hi Marc You wrote: For cuneiform Nip- as indisputable and viable alternative way to transcribe Egyptian nfr... You will not find me in disagreement with this in any of my remarks on this or other... more
                    • Niphururiria againMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 16:54
                      Dear Tory, Jared MILLER, Hittitologist, in his ź Amarna Age Chronology and the Identity of Nibḫururiya in the Light of a Newly Reconstructed Hittite Text ╗, Altorientalische Forschungen 34... more
                    • NiphururiiaMarc Gabolde, Fri Jun 1 11:44
                      Dear Tory, Only few books available on my desk, however, concerning EA 9,1 : Moran gives NiBḫurrereya, but Knudtzon I, p. 88, gives ni-ip-ḫu-ur-ri-ri-ia, R.S. Hess, Amarna Personal Names, ... more
              • Re: Nib is PipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 16:10
                Marianne says: Look, these are writing mistakes on the part of foreigners--but there is no one that could possibly match except nb-xprw-re Tutankhamun. But Marianne, by the same token you deny any... more
      • re: Nap is not NipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 01:29
        Marianne, On a linguistic basis I would assume Dakhamunzu to be Ankhesenamun, but there are some nagging problems with this, the same as those with Meritaten as Dakhamunzu. She was the latest wife of ... more
        • re: Nap is not NipMarianne Luban, Mon Dec 19 10:08
          Ian: "There is no room for her after the death of Tutankhamun, since she was immediately married to Ay after the death of Tutankhamun. " How do you know? On account of that faience ring? That ring... more
          • re: Nap is not NipIan Onvlee, Mon Dec 19 15:39
            Hi Marianne, How do you know? On account of that faience ring? No, I know nothing about a faience ring, but on account of lunar dates, the overall relative chronological timeframe, available... more
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