Marianne Luban
re: Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine source
Wed May 30, 2012 09:40
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Dear Marc,

I cannot access the article--can you summarize it? But does Nephers˘phris really amount to Neferkheperure even in the Northern Egyptian dialect--or just Neferkheperre? My research into ancient Egyptian pronunciation has shown me that, for some reason, while the /p/ in xpr was retained, it was not in the plural form xprw! This is evident not only from the Akkadian transliteration of royal names but from the punning in Egyptian texts. If you like, I can provide an example of this last. Notice that even in the 18th Dynasty of Manetho and his so-called epitomes, there is Mispres and Misphragmoutosis for Menkheperre but, when one gets to the kings whose prenomina end with "xprwra" there is no more /p/ to be seen. There may be an exception in the foreign correspondence, depending upon who is meant by "Manapria"--Thutmose III or IV.

In future, if you have something interesting to post, it is better to start a new thread than to continue in an old one--or your post may get lost way down the page. I only found this one because I receive daily updates from the forum in my email. And it is most interesting.

  • Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine sourceMarc Gabolde, Tue May 29 03:44
    Dear member of the ANECF Dear colleagues, Please, find a link for an article (author Fabien Hertier, Montpellier) devoted to a surprising mention of Akhenaten in a Byzantine encyclopaedia from the... more
    • Merci Beaucoup Dr. Marc/The Article's English Version!Waael ebn Fekry, Thu May 31 20:38
      Respectable Dr./ Marc Gabolde, Merci beaucoup pour cette "Cadeau Egyptologique" fantastique! It is definitely an important addition to the data-base of my research on the Late 18th Dynasty Period,... more
    • re: Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine source — Marianne Luban, Wed May 30 09:40
      • Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarc Gabolde, Thu May 31 08:53
        Dear Marianne, Thank you very much for posting and advice. If you need a pdf copy of F. Hertierĺs article, I can send it in attachment with the help of a valid e-mail address. If you have some... more
        • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Thu May 31 17:09
          Dear Marc, I'll try to access the paper again, but first I'll respond to some of your philological concerns. You wrote: ôConcerning the identity of Nephers˘phris, it seems that Akhenaten fits better... more
          • Nephers˘phris AkhenatenAnonymous, Fri Jun 1 06:02
            Dear Marianne, MG original ôConcerning the identity of Nephers˘phris, it seems that Akhenaten fits better with the text of Suidas due to the ill reputation of that king. The other possible king would ... more
            • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Fri Jun 1 20:23
              MG Original ôThe fact that /p/ disappears in xpr.w from the name of Akhenaten in the Amarna Letters is not as embarassing as you suggest. This is probably the result of the /p/ or /b/ of the first... more
          • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Thu May 31 18:18
            I have read the brief paper but am skeptical about the prenomen of Akhenaten being represented here: Headword:... more
      • re: Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine sourceMarianne Luban, Wed May 30 12:57
        Oh--I left out the most important part of what I was trying to say, which is--where is a king named Neferkheperre? I don't know of one. However, I am also skeptical of the name "Nephers˘phris" on... more
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