Marc Gabolde
Nephers˘phris Akhenaten
Thu May 31, 2012 08:53
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Dear Marianne,
Thank you very much for posting and advice.
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Concerning the identity of Nephers˘phris, it seems that Akhenaten fits better with the text of Suidas due to the ill reputation of that king. The other possible king would be the obscure king Neferkheperre Thotemhat of the surroundings of the XXXIIIth dynasty. As this unsignificant ruler from Hermopolis (whose name may be inspired by that of Akhenaten, an old neighbour) is only known by rare monuments, I doubt that his fame could have ever crossed the limits of his nome and those of his dynasty. From the phonetic point of view, the fact that an omega is used suggests that it could correpond to the long vocalized /u/ in the first syllable of Accadian xuru- which is almost regular in Akhenatenĺs praenomen in the Amarna Letters.
The fact that /p/ disappears in xpr.w from the name of Akhenaten in the Amarna Letters is not as embarassing as you suggest. This is probably the result of the /p/ or /b/ of the first part of the name in Assyro-Babylonian, Nap- / Nip- / Nib- which was assimilated with the /p/ of xpr.w, hence giving xuru instead of xupru. More surprising is the fall of the /r/ of nfr (when placed at the beginning of the name) as this /r/ reappears generally in Greek, cf. Nepherpres, Nephersuchos, Nepher˘s, Nephercheres, Nephorsais (but Nephotes for Neferhotep). I donĺt think that the /p/ of xpr.w has disappeared in spelling during the new kingdom. In fact, xpr.w is only preserved for the names Napxururiya, Nipxururiya, Nibxururiya (all Akhenaten in my opinion) and xuriya (probably also Akhenaten). So it is hard to draw a rule from these examples which may concern if fact only one king. But I surely would appreciated greatly to read your arguments.

Yours sincerely,

Marc

  • re: Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine sourceMarianne Luban, Wed May 30 09:40
    Dear Marc, I cannot access the article--can you summarize it? But does Nephers˘phris really amount to Neferkheperure even in the Northern Egyptian dialect--or just Neferkheperre? My research into... more
    • Nephers˘phris Akhenaten — Marc Gabolde, Thu May 31 08:53
      • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Thu May 31 17:09
        Dear Marc, I'll try to access the paper again, but first I'll respond to some of your philological concerns. You wrote: ôConcerning the identity of Nephers˘phris, it seems that Akhenaten fits better... more
        • Nephers˘phris AkhenatenAnonymous, Fri Jun 1 06:02
          Dear Marianne, MG original ôConcerning the identity of Nephers˘phris, it seems that Akhenaten fits better with the text of Suidas due to the ill reputation of that king. The other possible king would ... more
          • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Fri Jun 1 20:23
            MG Original ôThe fact that /p/ disappears in xpr.w from the name of Akhenaten in the Amarna Letters is not as embarassing as you suggest. This is probably the result of the /p/ or /b/ of the first... more
        • re: Nephers˘phris AkhenatenMarianne Luban, Thu May 31 18:18
          I have read the brief paper but am skeptical about the prenomen of Akhenaten being represented here: Headword:... more
    • re: Akhenaten as Nephers˘phris in a Byzantine sourceMarianne Luban, Wed May 30 12:57
      Oh--I left out the most important part of what I was trying to say, which is--where is a king named Neferkheperre? I don't know of one. However, I am also skeptical of the name "Nephers˘phris" on... more
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