Anonymous
Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohs
Sun Nov 5, 2017 21:20
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Jon Smyth wrote:

Finally, in Joshua 24:11, we read:
"And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; and I delivered them into your hand.
[12] And I sent the hornet before you, which drave them out from before you, even the two kings of the Amorites; but not with thy sword, nor with thy bow."

Here, the act is past tense, it is part of the Conquest narrative. This is what I am pointing out."

You have no point because, if you had bothered to give the context, it would have been only too obvious that Joshua was talking about what had happened in the PAST--all of it. The Hornet is associated with the "exodus narrative" pure and simple.

2 Joshua said to all the people, “This is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘Long ago your ancestors, including Terah the father of Abraham and Nahor, lived beyond the Euphrates River and worshiped other gods. 3 But I took your father Abraham from the land beyond the Euphrates and led him throughout Canaan and gave him many descendants. I gave him Isaac, 4 and to Isaac I gave Jacob and Esau. I assigned the hill country of Seir to Esau, but Jacob and his family went down to Egypt.

5 “‘Then I sent Moses and Aaron, and I afflicted the Egyptians by what I did there, and I brought you out. 6 When I brought your people out of Egypt, you came to the sea, and the Egyptians pursued them with chariots and horsemen[a] as far as the Red Sea.[b] 7 But they cried to the Lord for help, and he put darkness between you and the Egyptians; he brought the sea over them and covered them. You saw with your own eyes what I did to the Egyptians. Then you lived in the wilderness for a long time.

8 “‘I brought you to the land of the Amorites who lived east of the Jordan. They fought against you, but I gave them into your hands. I destroyed them from before you, and you took possession of their land. 9 When Balak son of Zippor, the king of Moab, prepared to fight against Israel, he sent for Balaam son of Beor to put a curse on you. 10 But I would not listen to Balaam, so he blessed you again and again, and I delivered you out of his hand.

11 “‘Then you crossed the Jordan and came to Jericho. The citizens of Jericho fought against you, as did also the Amorites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hittites, Girgashites, Hivites and Jebusites, but I gave them into your hands. 12 I sent the hornet ahead of you, which drove them out before you—also the two Amorite kings. You did not do it with your own sword and bow. 13 So I gave you a land on which you did not toil and cities you did not build; and you live in them and eat from vineyards and olive groves that you did not plant.’"

Previously, the Book of Exodus stated that the conquest would not be so difficult because Exodus 23:28-30: “I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the
land.”."

Therefore for about forty years and more the work had been accomplished by two "hornets"--Thutmose III and Amenhotep II. Not in a single year--not at all--[and nothing to do with crossing the Jordan] but in the forty-plus years the Israelites were increasing. Unless you can make a case for the population having suddenly boomed while crossing the Jordan.

  • Marianne Luban wrote: "It's in the Book of Exodus. Exodus 23:28-30: “I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them... more
    • Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohs — Anonymous, Sun Nov 5 21:20
      • Marianne. Read the 4th line of the first book of Joshua. "From the wilderness and this Lebanon even unto the great river, the river Euphrates, all the land of the Hittites, and unto the great sea... more
      • Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date PharoahsRobert Killian, Mon Nov 6 02:01
        Here, I agree with Anonymous,---AND: "The Two Hornet's" timeline would fit well with Exodus in 2448, 1313CJ/BCE, (Jewish) + 131yrs = 1444BCE ('Actual') in the 35th Year of Thutmose III, just 14yrs... more
        • Far too early Robert, Mittani was still in control of northern Syria. There were no Hittites, nor any Akhuwa/Huwe (Hivites), so far south until after the fall of Mitanni, and after the fall of the... more
          • My apologies, the last line should read: If anyone chooses to identify a historical synchronism here, it can only be in the 20th Dyn., at the Late Bronze/Iron I transition. Jon S.
    • Re: Solar eclipse of 1207 BC helps to date pharaohsMarianne Luban, Sun Nov 5 11:38
      Marianne Luban wrote: "It's in the Book of Exodus. Exodus 23:28-30: “I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them... more
      • Jon wrote: "Finally, in Joshua 24:11, we read: "And ye went over Jordan, and came unto Jericho: and the men of Jericho fought against you, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Canaanites, and... more
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