Fred
Re: Some notes on Shebitqu
Sat Jun 28, 2003 05:07
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Dear ian,

some errors...:

Ian : We have no idea who nominated Amenirdis I, but we do know that she became the God's Wife of Amun (as opposed to the apprentice) in the reign of her brother Shabaqo.

We have no indicatuon that she "became" God'wife under Shabaka, she may have been before.

Ian :Shepenwepet II was adopted by Amenirdis I while the latter's predecessor and adoptive mother Shepenwepet I was still alive. [Note, by the way, that if Shepenwepet I was installed by her father Osorkon 'III', as seems to be the case, and she died in the reign of Shabaqo, which also seems to be a fact.

FP : No, Shepenupet I was alive under Shabataka...(Osiris Heqa-djet temple). So it provide a reason to reverse the order in fact...

In fact Egyptian do not make a great difference between thes women, when they are adopted or installed. Frequently it seems that they were three (SH I, Am I, SH II or SH II, Am II and Nitocris or Nitocris, Am II and SH IV).

The crystal clear fact is that in all case known (i. e. all case but one) it is their father who installed them as heiress. S probably also for the one we don't know : Amenirdis I. It would imply that Kashta had some autority on Thebes at this moment and place him as good candidate for WG Inscriptions.

The killing of his predecessor by Tarcos/Taharqa is not in Manetho himself, but in glosses added by Hieronymus to his translation of Eusebius version of Manetho. But Hiernymus has taken these glosses elsewhere, perhaps in Erathostenes or Appolonios. All that is in an article by Depuydt in a recent CdE 2000 or 2001.

Leave...France...

Best,

Frédéric


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