Ian
Re: Some notes on Shebitqu
Sat Jun 28, 2003 08:38
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Dear Fred,

1. According to Morkot, Shepenwepet I died probably between Year 12 and Year 15 of Shabaqo. Hence Amenirdis I became God's Wife in that reign.

2. Shepenwepet I is depicted in the inner sanctuary of the Osiris-heqa-Djet temple, while the portions with depictions of Shebitqo and Amenirdis I are in the outer room added later. This is what I get from the materials I can consult quickly, there may be more to this. So I am not so sure that Shepenwepet I could have been alive under Shebitqo on these grounds, and compare 1 above.

3. By God's Wife I mean the senior priestess. The associates had slightly different titles, e.g. "adorer of the God," etc.

4. There is hardly anything crystal clear for the Kushite period other than the reign of Taharqo; it is logical that kings would promote their daughters to take their place in line for the succession to the current God's Wife, but this system pretty much means that a woman became God's Wife some time after her father's death. Perhaps only the first (?) God's Wife Shepenwepet I and Nitaqerty as the daughter of the long-lived Psamtek I actually became God's Wives during the reigns of their fathers.

5. Have a good (and safe) time in Egypt.

Best, Ian

  • Re: Some notes on ShebitquFred, Sat Jun 28 05:07
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    • Re: Some notes on Shebitqu — Ian, Sat Jun 28 08:38
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