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Vince I have the French book
Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:18am

French did not get any of his info from Lay. He had moved to his ranch in Trinidad by then and was merely repeating gossip. . In 1906 Lay got out and with his partner George Musgrave left to go get the money in old Mexico. Musgrave had a ranch in Brazil.That is the source of the gossip at the time.

French got very few facts right in his book. And he blurs dates/places. Not a reliable source at all.

  • Memory stretchingVince Garcia, Mon Nov 13 5:54pm
    I'm really stretching here, and my books are buried so I can't check. Dan can quickly confirm if I'm right or wrong and may even be able to give the quote. But doesn't Wm French in his memoirs say... more
    • Vince I have the French book — Pat, Tue Nov 14 9:18am
      • Re: Vince I have the French bookVince Garcia, Tue Nov 14 9:54am
        Pat--you're trying to say French was what? Was confusing another many for Lay? He wasn't sure who Lay was? Made up the whole story? Lay never visited him? He repeated gossip and inserted Lay into the ... more
    • Re: Memory stretchingDaniel Buck, Mon Nov 13 6:57pm
      Vince, Your memory is good -- I had completely forgotten about this. William French, Some Recollections of a Western Ranchman (1965), pp. 283: Elzy Lay told French a year or so after Lay had been... more
      • reprint of bookPat, Tue Nov 14 9:20am
        Dan a year or 2 after Lay got out in 1906. That would be when Lay and Musgrave were in Rawlins ,WY. It's all BS.
      • Re: Memory stretchingVince Garcia, Tue Nov 14 2:23am
        So will the argument now be that "Jim Lowe" wasn't Butch Cassidy, but that "Jim Lowe" was actually another man? What more do we need? I really don't get this denial that Butch went to SA.
        • Re: Memory stretchingDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 14 3:07am
          Evidence has no currency in the universe of trolls & obscurants. Evidence is the enemy. Few are even vaguely familiar with the basic facts. They spend their time not researching, but trolling.
          • TrollsBob Goodwin, Tue Nov 14 5:58am
            Dan, you know that Pat is not a Troll. she has her opinion, which is different than yours. She believes that Butch never went to South America, but ended up in Mexico instead. To support that belief, ... more
            • Re: TrollsDaniel Buck, Tue Nov 14 7:42am
              Bo Hmm, I did not name any trolls, how did you deduce I was speaking of Pat Schroeder? Smile. A troll is someone who routinely posts provocative remarks in in order to stir up controversy. You are... more
              • Oh My!Pat, Tue Nov 14 9:04am
                If I am a troll then Dan you are a bully. It has to be your way or the highway. However I will post "All" my evidence that Butch did not go to SA if you will publish all 1500 pages of the Godoy files ... more
                • Pat , Chris and Neglib -The Big ThreeMark Mszanski, Tue Nov 14 8:57pm
                  The big Three - You all must laugh your butts off posting the crap you come up with . Seriously - " lets stay contrarian no matter what the facts or evidence is " - It must be funny - Oh man that Dan ... more
                  • MarkPat, Tue Nov 14 9:15pm
                    Did that make you feel better? Superior to the rest of us? Bill Maher calls people like you Whiny little B's/ LOL Actually there are a whole lot more of us who don't agree with you or Dan but they do ... more
                • Re: Oh My!Daniel Buck, Tue Nov 14 11:25am
                  Pat, If someone asserts a new narrative about an historical event, the obligation is on them to present the evidence. That's the way it works. Best, Dan
              • Confirmation BiasChrisV, Tue Nov 14 8:07am
                "PS I don't have pet theories, I have pet evidence. The theory follows the evidence." Actually, I think you have confirmation bias. All of us probably suffer from this.
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