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Vince Garcia
Re: lost & found in translation
Fri Apr 6, 2018 7:18pm
2001:558:6012:3e:9d4d:deba:2336:d11a

Again, good reasoning. And I definitely understand the issue w/regional dialects. (There were like 30 regional dialects of Aramaic so when someone asks a question like, "How would that translate from the Aramaic?" .i laugh and think "In which of the thirty versions do you mean?") Though I have to wonder if SD still "looked good" at that point after letting himself go. Too bad we don't have later photos of him or BC

  • lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 6:07am
    Vince, biblical translations have fueled disputes for hundreds of years, and will for hundreds more. Of course, in that case we trying to understand the word of God (supposedly.) Here we're trying... more
    • Re: lost & found in translation — Vince Garcia, Fri Apr 6 7:18pm
      • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 5:24am
        Vince, there are three later photos, two from Argentina, ca. 1904, and one from Bolivia, ca. 1908, but the resolution is not great. In the Bolivia photo SK looks like he has thickened around the... more
        • Re: lost & found in translationVince Garcia, Sat Apr 7 9:08am
          After I wrote that, I recalled the camp photo which we have talked about before, and which I have remarked--since we're talking about who DOESN'T look like Butch and SD--doesn't look look like them.... more
          • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 10:01am
            Vince, The camp photo? Do you mean the 1908 photo from Bolivia? Yes, the resolution is not great, and it's not a close up, but the pair are dressed in Montana Peak hats, light shirts, vests, etc., as ... more
            • Re: lost & found in translationVince Garcia, Sat Apr 7 10:08am
              Yes but my main point is that if I just brought the photo to you and said "This is a photo of Butch and SD" I dont think you would agree just based on a visual examination of the two. i.e., it don't... more
              • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 10:18am
                Vince, Visually one cannot make out the two men's faces, so just looking at the faces doesn't tell us anything one way or the other, that is, that it is them or that it is not them. The provenance... more
                • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Sat Apr 7 10:37am
                  If you can't see their faces, you can't say its them.
                  • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Sat Apr 7 11:01am
                    Chris, Here's what I wrote: "Visually one cannot make out the two men's faces, so just looking at the faces doesn't tell us anything one way or the other, that is, that it is them or that it is not... more
                    • Give me a break!Pat, Sat Apr 7 11:20am
                      If it was anyone else's photo you would have debunk it in 2 seconds. You are so phony. Just like the Tea Party pic. It is not Butch no matter what you say.
        • BallparkChrisV, Sat Apr 7 6:29am
          The description of the corpses is no where near "in the ballpark" Its not them. Lets regroup and find out what really happened.
    • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 6:23am
      Dan, I dont normally rate guys, but I think that both Sundance and Butch were both in the category of handsome guys. To judge one a little uglier, to me doesn't make sense if it were the outlaws. You ... more
      • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 6:41am
        Chris, it's more important what Remigio Sánchez thought. That said, I don't think it's unreasonable, based on the few photographs we have, to describe Sundance as "bien parecido" and Cassidy as "un... more
        • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 6:58am
          Dan, Actually, its more important to look at the description of the two corpses. If you zoom in on the fw5 photo, you can see his Butch's scar. It must have been quite noticeable. You would think if... more
          • Re: lost & found in translationDaniel Buck, Fri Apr 6 12:38pm
            Chris, The mention of a scar on Cassidy's face is from his Wyoming prison record, 1894: "has a small red scar under the left eye." It might have been the result of the pistol-whipping sheriff Bob... more
            • Re: lost & found in translationChrisV, Fri Apr 6 1:18pm
              The unique scar was there in the FW5 1900 photo and in the 1901 RR photo. Would have been there if Butch was the right corpse. He wasnt. It was an ugly, short , upturned nose, guero. And a stupid one ... more
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