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Joyce
anonymous...
Thu Aug 17, 2017 16:22
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I was a little confused about your section on ambushes. Are you saying Ike Clanton was the person involved in each of these? I think there are not clear facts on any of those.

It was never determined who shot Morgan through the back window of Campbell & Hatch's saloon. Are you absolutely sure it could not have been vigilantes? The Earps were not all that popular. What is your source?

Virgil's shooting is also undetermined. Ike was in Charleston at the time and even Earp crony DeMasters alibied him. There was a Hearing and Ike was cleared. It was established there never was a 'hat' found at the scene!

Ike was not at the rail yard. He had been with Stilwell waiting for another witness to come in on the train. Stilwell told Ike to go back to town as it was dangerous for him at the station. Obviously, Stilwell did not feel threatened or he would not have stayed there, which shows he was not Virgil or Morgan's attacker. There is no reliable record that says either man was 'laying in wait' or attempting any ambush. Stilwell was hunted down and riddled; his pistol never left its holster.

I could be wrong so if you have a reliable source to show that I am, please put it up. I am more than willing to be wrong and get it right. I don't want to interpret facts, I want to understand them.

By the way, I also don't mind making mistakes but I do it in my own name, not anonymous.

  • Re: Anonymous/cowardly?Anonymous, Thu Aug 17 04:38
    describe for us exactly how you would handle the situation when gunfire started and you had no weapon. 1) first don't make threats you aren't ready to act upon. 2) show up with a weapon after you've... more
    • anonymous... — Joyce, Thu Aug 17 16:22
      • Re: anonymous...Bob Cash, Sun Aug 20 08:39
        Joyce, you wrote : "It was never determined who shot Morgan through the back window of Campbell & Hatch's saloon. Are you absolutely sure it could not have been vigilantes? The Earps were not all... more
        • Bob/Vigilantes?...Joyce, Sun Aug 20 13:22
          Bob, Apparently the Coroner's jury did not come to anything but suspicion as the case went no further. Why were these men not arrested immediately and jailed? Their involvement was suspected but if... more
          • Re: Bob/Vigilantes?...Anonymous, Mon Aug 21 09:04
            Joyce, you write: "Apparently the Coroner's jury did not come to anything but suspicion as the case went no further. Why were these men not arrested immediately and jailed? Their involvement was... more
            • Anonymous./interesting...Joyce, Mon Aug 21 09:43
              I understand that Marietta Spence might not be able to testify against her husband, but what about the others? She included them in her original statement, did she not? The other two in jail on other ... more
              • IkeFred Dodge, Thu Aug 24 16:00
                I've said it before and will state it again. Ike was a loud mouth and when his father died he took over the ranch and its operations. He was a two-bit rustler who was in over his head as any type of... more
      • JoyceEddie Lanham, Fri Aug 18 04:28
        Is your email posted on line? I have something to send you.
        • Eddie/contact...Joyce, Fri Aug 18 07:22
          Eddie, You can reach me at joyce@tombstonetimes.com Thank you
          • Joyce MesaageEddie Lanham, Sun Aug 20 15:57
            Sent you an email, just wanted to make sure you received.
            • Eddie/I am sorry....Joyce, Mon Aug 21 09:38
              I didn't receive your e-mail. I posted another address so see if that works better. Joyce
              • Are you sure Tombstone has internet?Eddie Lanham, Tue Aug 22 03:28
                I sent you 2 emails, one the the first address you provided and again the the second email address. Maybe the SPAM monster got it?
                • e-mail pproblem...Joyce, Tue Aug 22 13:38
                  Tombstone is indeed the armpit of the world when it comes to internet, but usually receive ok. Don't capitalize my name and do use underscore with last address. I am sure you know this but can't... more
                  • Lost in SpaceEddie Lanham, Tue Aug 22 14:11
                    Weird. Neither of my emails to you were returned to sender (me). Maybe the eclipse over north Georgia shut down the internet. It is possible. Ever since those guys walked on the moon, things just... more
            • Eddie/try this address....Joyce, Sun Aug 20 16:09
              water_color_artist@hotmail.com
    • Anonymous/once again...Joyce, Thu Aug 17 07:46
      Anonymous, I am sorry my sense of humour is regarded as condescending, but I admit computers don't have eyebrows, so it happens. To address your responses, civilly, of course, I have to ask as I do... more
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